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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Just compare these protests with the recent events in Ukraine.

    As the fires were burning on the street and when folks were throwing gas bombs at the police, and attacking opposing groups, John McCain and Victoria Nuland turned up with sandwiches for the protesters. The media did not call the protesters "Outsiders" and "Sh?t Disturbers ..... they were to be admired for demanding change and taking their country back from government cronies.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    He had it comming if you ask me.

    He's also very lucky he lived through that ordeal. You " Box " a Cop today and you'll get a bullet for your trooubles and rightly so.

    Sure there's bad Cops, but that doesn't justify what those animals did to their own city.

    There are law abiding hard working people living in Baltimore who are now unemployed thanks to those idiots. People who put time and money into building something just so a bunch of low lifes could destroy it.

    " Black Lives " only matter when they're taken by White Police Officers. The ongoing murders and Gun violence and out of control Black on Black violence in places like Chicago ?

    Where are the protesters ?
    Oh, you and I are on the same page, but I was merely pointing out that cops can be bad. Gone are the days when cops would duke it out with a felon. If the tazer doesn't work, then it's shoot first, and let the lawyers sort it out.

    About a year ago, a local young cop stopped a black guy for driving a stolen SUV. As he was exiting his patrol car, the unarmed burly black guy jumped out and beat the cop, almost to death. They got the black guy, and he was sentenced to a long prison term. This cop had been on the force about 2 years. With what he experienced, I bet he shoots first next time, whether the guy is unarmed or not. The policeman had activated his patrol car camera so everyone had a bird's eye view of the perp.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    and accidentally tripping him so he would fall down the stairs at the local precinct. That was in the late 60's. That stuff still happens today.
    This was such an integral part of the 'difficult arrest experience' during the '60's & '70's in my big-city local precinct, that it euphemistically had the name, 'tripped down the stairs', and was part of the common neighborhood vernacular. (a very insular 'cops & fireman' neighborhood, with a strong foundation of criminality & political malfeasance)

    One really bad guy (and not mincing words - he was really bad news), 'tripped so badly' he died - but then this neighborhood produced one of the more egregious recent era cases of serial, continual, group police torture & forced confessions, and quite honestly during those days most of the neighborhood felt 'results' occurring in the back of cop-shops were preferable to the vagaries of the legal system.

    It was a very tough neighborhood & time.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by calm View Post
    Just compare these protests with the recent events in Ukraine.

    As the fires were burning on the street and when folks were throwing gas bombs at the police, and attacking opposing groups, John McCain and Victoria Nuland turned up with sandwiches for the protesters. The media did not call the protesters "Outsiders" and "Sh?t Disturbers ..... they were to be admired for demanding change and taking their country back from government cronies.

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    McCain may not have showed up in Baltimore, but Sharpton and Jessie were there, spouting their typical brand of racist bull **** to stir up the masses. Isn't there a law against inciting a riot?

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And what started it all?



    And yet what was the spark? What gave the opportunity for these criminals to lash out? It wasn't decades of "low police involvement", there's that in many places that still haven't broken out in riot. What event spawned this latest explosion? Was it kinder, gentler police action? Or was it the police killing another person?



    It means there are fundamental reasons why certain sectors of the city have deteriorated and if you really want to solve the problem, you'll need to address that and fix that.



    More dead cops won't help, nor did I say it will. But more dead citizens at the hands of cops won't help either.



    Who said anything about no policing? It's the level of force that needs to be brought under control.



    If I meant reparations, I would have said it. I said socio-economic problems because those are some of the root causes of this problem. Stagnation contributes significantly to the problems and violence we see.



    Pretty much as soon as you tried to summarize my points and instead turned it into political tripe. The levels of force the government uses against its citizens needs to be brought into reasonable levels. Cops and communities need to be brought back into proper contact with each other to develop the relationships necessary for functional operation. Policing still needs to occur, laws still need to be upheld, but we can't allow the continuation of suspicious deaths at the hands of the police to continue as those just exacerbate the situation and give these criminals exactly what they want, an excuse. Furthermore, the underlying stagnation needs to be addressed, the causes for it discovered and remedied, to pull people back into community mindsets and allow individuals the opportunity to advance and escape the cycles they are currently trapped in.

    Far cry from that intellectually dishonest "summary" you gave, huh?
    Ok Ikari...I understand what you are saying, and the death of this young man in Balto, still under investigation, will have a conclusion. But, what you are talking about are the very same do nothing catch phrasing that allows the cycle as you put it to continue as well...Do you know what these kids learned last night? They learned that Balto has NO leadership, and if the opportunity arises, they can go out and burn, loot, and assault with NO consequence..The underlying "socio-economic" meme's that you bring up have been beaten to death. It boils down to people wanting to get themselves out of their poverty, not waiting, or demanding that everyone else do it for them....Was Freddy Grey mistreated? In the aspect of not getting immediate medical attention, hell yes. As for the other claims, I am not sure yet, but it doesn't look good for the Department....

    But I will just say that looking for ways to make excuses for these kids last night rather than calling those who should be accountable for NOT maintaining peace, ie; the Mayor, who completely f'd up when she made the statement about giving them space to destroy, then this will continue.....She gave the green light, basically telling the troublemakers that nothing will happen if they cut loose....It was irresponsible, and stupid....

    Baltimore has about 3200 police officers, not nearly enough for a city of that size, and "socio-economic" make up...All I can say is in watching that crap last night, I am so glad I moved to SC 8 years ago, and don't have to be around that BS kind of leadership.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    With all the recent episodes of cops killing blacks have any of the so-called "victims" been clean of having a police record, been clean on being stoned at the time, been clean of possessing a weapon like this punk in Baltimore being 24 yrs. old and carrying a switchblade? Every last one of them are criminals. The 55 year old that owed $25,000 in back child support, Trevor Martin stoned and out at way past midnight (nice job parents or mother only as daddy left years ago.) The big boy that suffocated had a record a mile long. In EVERY case they were running or resisting. NOT GUILTY on every charge put forth against the people enforcing the law. They are the lawless now they are the lifeless, as it should be.
    I know. And I bet some of those thugs even speed and illegally download copyrighted songs and movies off the internet.

    And that guy in the Wal-mart that the police put down for holding a pellet gun he picked up off of one of the shelves? He brought that **** on himself. He should know that his kind have no business getting anywhere near a gun, even toy ones. If black people wanted to be able to walk around openly with rifles without being killed on sight they should have had the good sense to be born white.

    Amirite?

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok Ikari...I understand what you are saying, and the death of this young man in Balto, still under investigation, will have a conclusion. But, what you are talking about are the very same do nothing catch phrasing that allows the cycle as you put it to continue as well...Do you know what these kids learned last night? They learned that Balto has NO leadership, and if the opportunity arises, they can go out and burn, loot, and assault with NO consequence..The underlying "socio-economic" meme's that you bring up have been beaten to death. It boils down to people wanting to get themselves out of their poverty, not waiting, or demanding that everyone else do it for them....Was Freddy Grey mistreated? In the aspect of not getting immediate medical attention, hell yes. As for the other claims, I am not sure yet, but it doesn't look good for the Department....

    But I will just say that looking for ways to make excuses for these kids last night rather than calling those who should be accountable for NOT maintaining peace, ie; the Mayor, who completely f'd up when she made the statement about giving them space to destroy, then this will continue.....She gave the green light, basically telling the troublemakers that nothing will happen if they cut loose....It was irresponsible, and stupid....

    Baltimore has about 3200 police officers, not nearly enough for a city of that size, and "socio-economic" make up...All I can say is in watching that crap last night, I am so glad I moved to SC 8 years ago, and don't have to be around that BS kind of leadership.
    After the fact, there was a lot of mismanagement. Once things start to blow up, you're fudged. At that point, you have to bring in more police, you have to have a bigger and more aggressive presence in order to return order. You can't allow the rioting and looting to continue, it's not acceptable and it is not how you influence the system in order to try to correct long standing systematics. But we cannot glance over the root causes, or laugh off the socio-economic stagnation that has gripped many of our cities, since these lead to the buildup of frustrations that eventually come to ahead and then allow criminal agents to exploit.

    If we're interested in solving the issue, then we have to take steps to solving it. Part if it is to reign in government power and use of force against the citizens. If the cops shoot dead another kid in some other city under suspect conditions, the same thing will happen; only it will be amplified.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Is there some reason you think the Baltimore Police Department receives comparable intel to the president of the United states?
    Well, do the Baltimore Police Department watch the daily news? If so, they probably recieve comparable intel.*


    *:this is a joke.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I'm not condoning anything. They have had plenty of time to determine who did what in a matter of a couple hours. They refuse to release the pictures of all the cops involved while the angry black mob is attacking white people. 43% of the police force is African-American according to Wiki....

    "During Martin O'Malley's administration as mayor, the department had become 43% African American.[25] While progress has been made to improve the department's relationship with Baltimore's now majority African American community, improvements are still being made to the department which for several years has been subject to criticism for its treatment of African American citizens. Police community relations have remained strained with the war on drugs that has plagued several African American neighborhoods in East and West Baltimore and coincidentally enough, many of the most despised officers in several of Baltimore's African American neighborhoods are also African American.[26]"

    Baltimore Police Department - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

    Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers « CBS DC

    WASHINGTON — The Baltimore Police Department says they have received a credible threat that numerous gangs have entered into a partnership to “take-out” law enforcement officers.
    If this was the case, and there is an "all out war" in Baltimore, as right wing media have characterized it, why were no cops "taken out" ?

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