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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, the criminals took over because of aggressive policing.
    *Sigh* ok let's unpack this a little bit...No, the criminals took over because of opportunity, enabled by the 'dumb as a box of rocks' Mayor that had the ability before this day to heed the intel, and beef up police presence, and make arrests to let the criminals know that this would not be tolerated, PERIOD! She failed, and just cost Balto millions!

    You're talking POST incident, I'm saying curtailing the aggressiveness PRE incident will remove possible excuses for these criminals to take over in the first place.
    No again, I asked you to breech this river of pseudo intellectual pablum, to highlight just how dangerous it is to placate the criminals, and anarchists that were driving the opportunist outbreak last night. Look, it was dangerous for anyone that wasn't a black resident to enter these areas BEFORE the riot last night, largely because the police were undermanned and over taxed....So, please don't try and give me the 'kinder, gentler' approach....Balto has a gang problem, and a drug problem...To lessen the police footprint is to give up.

    Fundamentally, however, the reasons why those criminals and thugs exist in such large numbers needs to be addressed.
    What does that even mean? Because what I read in that sentence is do nothing while we all get together and talk, talk, talk....Meanwhile the city is destroyed....

    But cops killing more people, that will only cause it to get worse. And once it's started, you're screwed because now you have to respond with more aggressive policing and the cycle of hate and aggression and violence takes over.
    More dead cops won't help either, but I know, that's not as important as protecting the poor misunderstood thug....Maybe some chocolate chip cookies will help....

    We cannot allow that cycle to establish and that means, in part, curtailing police activities prior so that you don't get Baltimore's or Ferguson's in the first place.
    Less policing = More crime. That's a fact.

    This sort of powder keg explosions need to stop.
    On that we agree...

    You also then have to address the socio-economical problems that plague our inner cities and crime ridden areas in order to try to produce more positive community interactions and decrease criminal activity.
    Wow, you touched all the catch phrase nothing speak right there....You should have just said pay reparations.

    None of which is a "wave the wand" sort of system where we can magically cure it. It will take time and effort, but if we do it right we will end up all the better for it.
    Ok, so, weeding through the babble, this is what I hear from you....

    Weaken police authority
    Hope that the criminal element won't take advantage
    More give away's
    Leave more innocent citizens vulnerable to crime.

    In short...Make our urban cities less safe....All because you don't like the 'oh so scary' military look of riot police....

    Where am I wrong?
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Has anyone heard why the incident is still under investigation and has anyone been charged with wrongdoing? They released the names of the officers but refuse to release their pictures. Is that common practice? Three of the officers have been identified as white from a video. I read that Baltimore is one city that practices black on black policing. This arrest occurred in a black community across the street from a government housing project in front of boarded up row houses and is known for high criminal activity.
    Investigations take time. Certainly more than a week to conclude...The officers involved are on administrative suspension, and the local internal affairs, State investigative agency, and the DoJ are all investigating....Part of the problem I see with these instances today, are that the crowd, or public if you will seem not to want due process to take place, but rather someone punished immediately.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    *Sigh* ok let's unpack this a little bit...No, the criminals took over because of opportunity, enabled by the 'dumb as a box of rocks' Mayor that had the ability before this day to heed the intel, and beef up police presence, and make arrests to let the criminals know that this would not be tolerated, PERIOD! She failed, and just cost Balto millions!
    And what started it all?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No again, I asked you to breech this river of pseudo intellectual pablum, to highlight just how dangerous it is to placate the criminals, and anarchists that were driving the opportunist outbreak last night. Look, it was dangerous for anyone that wasn't a black resident to enter these areas BEFORE the riot last night, largely because the police were undermanned and over taxed....So, please don't try and give me the 'kinder, gentler' approach....Balto has a gang problem, and a drug problem...To lessen the police footprint is to give up.
    And yet what was the spark? What gave the opportunity for these criminals to lash out? It wasn't decades of "low police involvement", there's that in many places that still haven't broken out in riot. What event spawned this latest explosion? Was it kinder, gentler police action? Or was it the police killing another person?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What does that even mean? Because what I read in that sentence is do nothing while we all get together and talk, talk, talk....Meanwhile the city is destroyed....
    It means there are fundamental reasons why certain sectors of the city have deteriorated and if you really want to solve the problem, you'll need to address that and fix that.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    More dead cops won't help either, but I know, that's not as important as protecting the poor misunderstood thug....Maybe some chocolate chip cookies will help....
    More dead cops won't help, nor did I say it will. But more dead citizens at the hands of cops won't help either.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Less policing = More crime. That's a fact.
    Who said anything about no policing? It's the level of force that needs to be brought under control.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow, you touched all the catch phrase nothing speak right there....You should have just said pay reparations.
    If I meant reparations, I would have said it. I said socio-economic problems because those are some of the root causes of this problem. Stagnation contributes significantly to the problems and violence we see.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so, weeding through the babble, this is what I hear from you....

    Weaken police authority
    Hope that the criminal element won't take advantage
    More give away's
    Leave more innocent citizens vulnerable to crime.

    In short...Make our urban cities less safe....All because you don't like the 'oh so scary' military look of riot police....

    Where am I wrong?
    Pretty much as soon as you tried to summarize my points and instead turned it into political tripe. The levels of force the government uses against its citizens needs to be brought into reasonable levels. Cops and communities need to be brought back into proper contact with each other to develop the relationships necessary for functional operation. Policing still needs to occur, laws still need to be upheld, but we can't allow the continuation of suspicious deaths at the hands of the police to continue as those just exacerbate the situation and give these criminals exactly what they want, an excuse. Furthermore, the underlying stagnation needs to be addressed, the causes for it discovered and remedied, to pull people back into community mindsets and allow individuals the opportunity to advance and escape the cycles they are currently trapped in.

    Far cry from that intellectually dishonest "summary" you gave, huh?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Investigations take time. Certainly more than a week to conclude...The officers involved are on administrative suspension, and the local internal affairs, State investigative agency, and the DoJ are all investigating....Part of the problem I see with these instances today, are that the crowd, or public if you will seem not to want due process to take place, but rather someone punished immediately.
    That's right so the thugs had to move before a couple of cops are arrested for mistreating the guy or god forbid they learn that the guy fell and hit his neck on his bunk in jail.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Chilling.

    I initially felt like I was watching the 'riot scene' scene from of Spike Lee's'Do the Right Thing'!

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    There we go - she apparently subscribes to the same 'go anywhere, do anything' method of parenting that I do.

    I raised teenagers & have always allowed the option to go anywhere, physically, to get & keep my kids out of trouble. I never had to exercise that course of action with my kids, but my father & I did with my younger brother. I respect my father greatly for his actions - I feel it is the ultimate act of love & parenting! And again years later, when my Pop was a lot older and not as street-savvy or physically capable to the goings-on in the old neighborhood, I followed his example to extricate my brother from another troubled situation - that extrication caused a turn in his life that has continued (not perfectly, but substantially) to this day. And my brother still thanks me until today.

    This is called 'love & responsibility to family'.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Does anyone believe there would be riots in Baltimore if the Police had inititiated a "HOMICIDE" investigation of Freddie Gray's death. Broken necks are not accidental deaths and are not died in custody. Damage inflicted upon Freddie Gray by Baltimore Police killed Gray. That would be homicide at some level. I believe the starting point to any solution begin with a public homicide investigation.
    I can't speak for Baltimore, but I used to work out with quite a few cops, who let me into their inner circle, since I was trying to get on the local police force. They told me about a Navy boxer they arrested, who best the living crap out of 5 cops before they could subdue him. They talked of "accidentally" dropping him out of the paddy wagon, accidentally slamming a door in his face, and accidentally tripping him so he would fall down the stairs at the local precinct. That was in the late 60's. That stuff still happens today.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    With all the recent episodes of cops killing blacks have any of the so-called "victims" been clean of having a police record, been clean on being stoned at the time, been clean of possessing a weapon like this punk in Baltimore being 24 yrs. old and carrying a switchblade? Every last one of them are criminals. The 55 year old that owed $25,000 in back child support, Trevor Martin stoned and out at way past midnight (nice job parents or mother only as daddy left years ago.) The big boy that suffocated had a record a mile long. In EVERY case they were running or resisting. NOT GUILTY on every charge put forth against the people enforcing the law. They are the lawless now they are the lifeless, as it should be.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I can't speak for Baltimore, but I used to work out with quite a few cops, who let me into their inner circle, since I was trying to get on the local police force. They told me about a Navy boxer they arrested, who best the living crap out of 5 cops before they could subdue him. They talked of "accidentally" dropping him out of the paddy wagon, accidentally slamming a door in his face, and accidentally tripping him so he would fall down the stairs at the local precinct. That was in the late 60's. That stuff still happens today.
    Oh no, this thug beats up cops and they retaliate? How awful, I thought we could do anything we want to in America and then scream "police brutality" when held accountable.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Oh no, this thug beats up cops and they retaliate? How awful, I thought we could do anything we want to in America and then scream "police brutality" when held accountable.
    He was drunk and disorderly and didn't want to go willingly. Back then beating up cops wasn't so bad. I had a friend, who was very strong and was a Golden Gloves champion. He got a little too much to drink and got in a fight with a couple of bouncers. He decked them. Then there were 3 cops working there as bouncers. He tore them apart. Finally, somebody got him from behind and knocked him out. They chained him in the paddy wagon. His fine was $200 and a 30-day suspended jail sentence. Nowadays, they will give you years in jail for what he did. It probably helped him that the 3 cops in question, never identified themselves as cops and weren't in uniform.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I can't speak for Baltimore, but I used to work out with quite a few cops, who let me into their inner circle, since I was trying to get on the local police force. They told me about a Navy boxer they arrested, who best the living crap out of 5 cops before they could subdue him. They talked of "accidentally" dropping him out of the paddy wagon, accidentally slamming a door in his face, and accidentally tripping him so he would fall down the stairs at the local precinct. That was in the late 60's. That stuff still happens today.
    He had it comming if you ask me.

    He's also very lucky he lived through that ordeal. You " Box " a Cop today and you'll get a bullet for your trooubles and rightly so.

    Sure there's bad Cops, but that doesn't justify what those animals did to their own city.

    There are law abiding hard working people living in Baltimore who are now unemployed thanks to those idiots. People who put time and money into building something just so a bunch of low lifes could destroy it.

    " Black Lives " only matter when they're taken by White Police Officers. The ongoing murders and Gun violence and out of control Black on Black violence in places like Chicago ?

    Where are the protesters ?

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