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Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

Hi Chomsky!
I tried to make my response easily readable. My responding points are below your points, in bold:

Ah, but the question here is not one of the deceased's (admittedly extensive) criminal record, but of possible police wrong-doing.
If you think that ALL of the facts will not be presented, you are being naive. Relevancy will be decided by potential jurors.
Which appears very reasonable on the surface, but there are concerns as to the accuracy of the results.
What needs to be accurate?
There is a groundswell of lack-of-faith in our police & their ability to investigate themselves, along with structural defects in the legal system with regards to police activity. This is growing in perception to be the greater problem - not a problem of a 'rotten apple', but one of structural defects, including in the investigative/prosecutorial mechanisms.
This is your opinion. Not mine. You are placing all the fault on that of the authorities.
To follow your train of thought, what "corrections" need to be made to the structure or the legal mechanisms?
 
Why are white people hanging around there?
The riots broke out over the weekend when there was a game at Camden Yards Orioles versus the Red Sox. White folks tend to like baseball. They have restaurants/bars with outside seating. Lots of white folks tend to grab some lunch and a brew or two and then walk across the street to the game. This is the area that the mayor allowed those who wanted to destroy things to occur. It was white folks being terrorized in their cars. It was white folks having projectiles hurled at them and injuring them. Things being thrown at the windows shattering where they had gathered inside. There is even footage of a white woman in a wheel chair blocked and white folks standing around her as human shields to protect her from getting hit with objects.The raw footage verifies this to be fact.

The raw footage shows last night some reporters who happened to be white getting attacked. And last night there's footage of a white store owner being dragged from his store by a mob of black folks sucker punched in the face and stomped into the pavement.

So to answer your question, some were out to enjoy a ballgame and others were tending to their stores.
 
If this was the case, and there is an "all out war" in Baltimore, as right wing media have characterized it, why were no cops "taken out" ?

Be patient.

I'm sure you'll get your wish.

How long after Eric Garners arrest and death did it take for some thug to assassinate two NYPD officers ?
 
Oh, you and I are on the same page, but I was merely pointing out that cops can be bad. Gone are the days when cops would duke it out with a felon. If the tazer doesn't work, then it's shoot first, and let the lawyers sort it out.

About a year ago, a local young cop stopped a black guy for driving a stolen SUV. As he was exiting his patrol car, the unarmed burly black guy jumped out and beat the cop, almost to death. They got the black guy, and he was sentenced to a long prison term. This cop had been on the force about 2 years. With what he experienced, I bet he shoots first next time, whether the guy is unarmed or not. The policeman had activated his patrol car camera so everyone had a bird's eye view of the perp.

It's real life scenarios and experiences like this which make the cops respond like they do. It's the same ones who have no knowledge of the job, no idea as to the experiences, which cry the loudest the police should do this, or the police should do that.

How many of your fellow officers do you have to bury, or are forced into early retirement due to long term medical repercussions of an altercation, or visit in the hospital before responding aggressively to a resisting and aggressive suspect? How long would it be for the cop to cop a bad attitude when dealing with the dregs society throws his way day in and day out?

Many cry for the thug that shot or beat up, yet the other side of the coin, far to few even pay any never mind.
 
The riots broke out over the weekend when there was a game at Camden Yards Orioles versus the Red Sox. White folks tend to like baseball. They have restaurants/bars with outside seating. Lots of white folks tend to grab some lunch and a brew or two and then walk across the street to the game. This is the area that the mayor allowed those who wanted to destroy things to occur. It was white folks being terrorized in their cars. It was white folks having projectiles hurled at them and injuring them. Things being thrown at the windows shattering where they had gathered inside. There is even footage of a white woman in a wheel chair blocked and white folks standing around her as human shields to protect her from getting hit with objects.The raw footage verifies this to be fact.

The raw footage shows last night some reporters who happened to be white getting attacked. And last night there's footage of a white store owner being dragged from his store by a mob of black folks sucker punched in the face and stomped into the pavement.

So to answer your question, some were out to enjoy a ballgame and others were tending to their stores.



I'm talking that night, days later, today.
 
Here in Seattle, and in the media, I keep hearing about the changes they want to make to police department policies and police training. Prez Obama mentioned some things in his press conf. this am. What I never hear is hiring more minority cops If the problem is such an obvious gap where the conflicts end up being a cop and a suspect or victim of different races or ethnicities...where are the investments and plans to go and recruit minorities? What incentives can they offer? Why isnt this already a HUGE investment...have I just not heard about it?

The Seattle police force has been under scrutiny and even federal mandates to fix issues of excessive force (and other things) for years. They have attempted to hire new police leadership of color, and to focus on training for racial sensitivity, but I've heard nothing about efforts to recruit minorities.

Why is this?

racial sensitivity = you're a minority, you get a free pass? Just like the dumb **** Balto mayor?

Not buying it.

It's a values and respect for other gap. Many more have a value system that prevents, or at least inhibits, them from rioting and looting, but seems that the population in question has little value for that respect of others, authority, much less themselves.

How about 'If you won't want to get into trouble with the law, don't break any laws, and show some respect' ?
 
Be patient.

I'm sure you'll get your wish.

How long after Eric Garners arrest and death did it take for some thug to assassinate two NYPD officers ?

One who traveled from Baltimore to NYC for that explicit purpose, if I believe. Much closer to home now, all the easier.
 
I'm talking that night, days later, today.
And I gave you multiple examples of what just occurred last night, white reporters were targeted and so was a white store owner.








I'm only allowed to post 3 videos at a time.
 
One who traveled from Baltimore to NYC for that explicit purpose, if I believe. Much closer to home now, all the easier.

I ran across something interesting today, Eric.

Back in 1991 during the Crown Heights Riots the Democrat Mayor of New York David Denkins had a strategy that mirrored the Mayor of Baltimore's strategy and that was to give rioters who wanted to destroy room. He allowed rioters to blow off steam and it only made things worse.

Of-course the similarities don't end there. New York was a crime ridden cess pool with a murder rate that peaked under Denkins watch. Thanks to Guiliani who took over in 1993, crime rates finally started to drop off and New York was cleaned up.

Its a testament to the destructive effects of Liberal policies.
 
I'm guessing you have now.
Howya doin' Pol?

Yes, I finally saw the video. Good for her! :thumbs:

I'm staying upbeat, but it's getting more challenging every day! :mrgreen: Has anyone heard from Pero lately? He's been AWOL for quite a while - I hope he returns soon, whatever he's doing!
 
And I gave you multiple examples of what just occurred last night, white reporters were targeted and so was a white store owner.








I'm only allowed to post 3 videos at a time.






why are they there?


idiots.
 
Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

Two things..

1) Nobody wanted to listen for the last few decades. Nobody.

2) This is the reaction when discourse fails.

Here is an article done by the Baltimore Sun on Police brutality in Baltimore. Written in Sept 2014. And the Atlantic ran it's own cover of it today.

4 years and $5.7m paid on police brutality cases... 100 of them. At which point does the police force, local government, state and federal government look into the situation and rectify it? They still haven't.. and Freddie Gray was another victim of that brutality. At some point, you get fed up and rather burn the whole **** down just to prove the point you are done with it. As your elected leaders don't care and you can't rely on the police so.. anarchy must be achieved to prove the point.

The only brutality I see with my own eyes, and this is the case for the majority of Americans, is the brutality being perpetrated against police by the thug rioters.

And therein lies the problem with rioting as a form of getting heard. The rioters aren't winning over anyone to their cause, quite the opposite: it's hard to empathize with the cause of lawless, violent hooligans roaming the streets committing violence against and looting innocent people.
 
Here in Seattle, and in the media, I keep hearing about the changes they want to make to police department policies and police training. Prez Obama mentioned some things in his press conf. this am. What I never hear is hiring more minority cops If the problem is such an obvious gap where the conflicts end up being a cop and a suspect or victim of different races or ethnicities...where are the investments and plans to go and recruit minorities? What incentives can they offer? Why isnt this already a HUGE investment...have I just not heard about it?

The Seattle police force has been under scrutiny and even federal mandates to fix issues of excessive force (and other things) for years. They have attempted to hire new police leadership of color, and to focus on training for racial sensitivity, but I've heard nothing about efforts to recruit minorities.

Why is this?

Looks like Seattle will be going the way of Dayton, OH at having to lower the test scores so that more minorities can become policemen.

Obama Orders City To Lower Police Recruit Test Scores So More Blacks Can Pass : Sandra Rose
 
why are they there?


idiots.

Is it an idiot that stays around to try and protect his business? Do you realize the number of small business owners who live directly above their businesses in that part of town? It has been a common practice since the beginning of this country for the family to live above the store. The mom and pop grocery, the bakery, the Italian restaurant or the bar and grill...... These people have sunk all they have to provide for their families and had to flee their homes when their businesses were torched. Now they are homeless.

Reporters work for news agencies. Reporters are required to go into any unrest and report on what is going on. Are you saying all white reporters should not be there?

White folks love baseball, are you saying all white folks should have stayed home that day when the riots broke out in front of Camden Yards when they had no idea that this is the area where the mayor allowed rioters to act out in destruction? Well tomorrow night the Orioles are going to play the White Sox with no damn audience. The stadium will be empty because of the riots. WTH?????

Orioles-White Sox at Camden Yards on Wednesday closed to public - CBSSports.com
 
I ran across something interesting today, Eric.

Back in 1991 during the Crown Heights Riots the Democrat Mayor of New York David Denkins had a strategy that mirrored the Mayor of Baltimore's strategy and that was to give rioters who wanted to destroy room. He allowed rioters to blow off steam and it only made things worse.

Of-course the similarities don't end there. New York was a crime ridden cess pool with a murder rate that peaked under Denkins watch. Thanks to Guiliani who took over in 1993, crime rates finally started to drop off and New York was cleaned up.

Its a testament to the destructive effects of Liberal policies.

Indeed they are destructive, these Liberal policies. AND they always expect free and easy usage of other people's money.
 
Which "Group" of Folks in these forums supported the violent protests in Ukraine a short year or so ago?

Which "Group" of Folks committed the larger crime during the past 50 years? ..... The looters on Wall Street or the Looters at CV Pharmacy in Baltimore?

Calm
 
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Which is the larger crime?

A figure of 27,785 deaths (and 100 thousand disabling heart attacks and strokes) caused by Vioxx. Once the drug was on the market, Merck intentionally suppressed data showing it caused strokes and heart attacks at twice the normal rate. Dorothy Hamill twirled on the ice and "It's a beautiful morning" lilted from every TV in the land as Merck pushed a drug that CEO Ray Gilmartin and the other top bosses knew would kill people
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Calm
 
Which is the larger crime?

A figure of 27,785 deaths (and 100 thousand disabling heart attacks and strokes) caused by Vioxx. Once the drug was on the market, Merck intentionally suppressed data showing it caused strokes and heart attacks at twice the normal rate. Dorothy Hamill twirled on the ice and "It's a beautiful morning" lilted from every TV in the land as Merck pushed a drug that CEO Ray Gilmartin and the other top bosses knew would kill people
Rofecoxib - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Calm

Just about any action criminal or otherwise can be justified via comparison

That doesn't mean the criminals who exploit the deaths of perfect stranger should get a pass.

It also doesn't mean that the underlying issues that lead to inner city Communitees turning into a tender box should be ignored either.

I bet the hard working law abiding people that live in Ferguson or Baltimore could give a rats ass about Ukraine.

Especially now after what once was their neighborhood is now a series of burned out structures and vandalized cars.

People don't realize that riots leave lasting impressions on a community. There are still burned out structures in Detroit from the riots that took place decades ago.

Whats sad is these riots will be relatively quickly forgotten and the real issues that steer inner city areas into powder kegs will be ignored like they've been for decades.
 
The riots broke out over the weekend when there was a game at Camden Yards Orioles versus the Red Sox. White folks tend to like baseball. They have restaurants/bars with outside seating. Lots of white folks tend to grab some lunch and a brew or two and then walk across the street to the game. This is the area that the mayor allowed those who wanted to destroy things to occur. It was white folks being terrorized in their cars. It was white folks having projectiles hurled at them and injuring them. Things being thrown at the windows shattering where they had gathered inside. There is even footage of a white woman in a wheel chair blocked and white folks standing around her as human shields to protect her from getting hit with objects.The raw footage verifies this to be fact.

Oh. My. God. :blowup:
 
racial sensitivity = you're a minority, you get a free pass? Just like the dumb **** Balto mayor?

Not buying it.

It's a values and respect for other gap. Many more have a value system that prevents, or at least inhibits, them from rioting and looting, but seems that the population in question has little value for that respect of others, authority, much less themselves.

How about 'If you won't want to get into trouble with the law, don't break any laws, and show some respect' ?

Um, no, you are not cognizant, apparently, of the fact that minorities tend to be stopped, and arrested, and charged, and convicted in higher percentages than whites. There is often a bias, profiling, etc.

Minorities get pulled over for just being minorities.
 
Oh. My. God. :blowup:

What's wrong Lursa, even the sportscasters describe baseball as a "white" sport. Those who were there across from Camden Yards were overwhelmingly WHITE that were being attacked. All the raw video proves that to be a fact.
 
Looks like Seattle will be going the way of Dayton, OH at having to lower the test scores so that more minorities can become policemen.

Obama Orders City To Lower Police Recruit Test Scores So More Blacks Can Pass : Sandra Rose

That is grotesque. However there can be...should be?...programs that start earlier, like in high school, to encourage minorities to take an interest in law enforcement jobs. Just like for athletics...they have to maintain certain grade levels to pass and play. I realize that's only if the kids are really interested when teens.

But no way should standards be lowered. And as the article showed with an example, blacks dont need it or want to be seen as needing it.
 
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