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    Re: Despite Protests, Indonesia Moves Forward to Execute Drug Convicts

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Indonesia appears as impervious to outside interference in their legal system as most other countries. I deplore the death penalty wherever it is applied, so I deplore this round of judicial murder. One day all civilised countries will realise that ritualised, state-sponsored murder puts them beyond the pale in the international community. It is the fact of state murder that makes Indonesia barbaric, not the specific circumstances of these individual cases.
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    You just cannot pass up an opportunity to condone killing over something like this, can you?
    Killing drug dealers? Heck ya.

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    Re: Despite Protests, Indonesia Moves Forward to Execute Drug Convicts

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What are you going on about?
    You wouldn't understand, even if I explained it with diagrams, Poe.
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    Re: Despite Protests, Indonesia Moves Forward to Execute Drug Convicts

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You wouldn't understand, even if I explained it with diagrams, Poe.
    What?

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    Re: Despite Protests, Indonesia Moves Forward to Execute Drug Convicts

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Killing drug dealers? Heck ya.
    Most unfortunate, but at least you are honest about it.
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    Re: Despite Protests, Indonesia Moves Forward to Execute Drug Convicts

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What?
    QED. Clueless.
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    Re: Despite Protests, Indonesia Moves Forward to Execute Drug Convicts

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Thoughts are?
    The two Australians involved (Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan) are now just hours away from execution.

    I cannot help but feel incredible sympathy for their family (the people who did not commit any crime) who were again today treated with such disrespect whilst trying to spend their last moments with their Sons. To see what they were unnecessarily subjected to in relation to making their way in and out of the prison defies humanity and was reprehensible. They were forced to go through a horrific gauntlet. A gauntlet of cameras, security people and dogs nipping at their heels and that of the Australian Consulate General. All for the show. The Indonesian Authorities should have taken control and offered assistance to at least let them retain some dignity.

    The show of arrogance and indifference that Joko Widodo and the Indonesian Government have relentlessly shown around their case towards the Australian Government has been repulsive. Just a few of the many examples...
    -The 72 hours notice given on ANZAC Day despite requests from my Government to please not announce it on this one day.

    -Indonesian Police Officers taking smiling "selfies" with Chan and Sukamaran whilst they were being transported to Nusakambangan prison (Execution Island.)

    -The ridiculous levels taken whilst transporting Chan and Sukamaran to Execution Island that were not applied to any of the other Non Australian Prisoners transported there who will be executed at the same time. The others were transported fuss free and with very minimal security, unlike the two Australians who had seperate armoured vehicles for the two, hundreds of Police Officers, the flight being escorted by Russian-made Sukhoi jets, helicopters etc. The prison governor has described Chan and Sukumaran as model prisoners and testified in court that they should not be executed because of the positive influence they have had over other prisoners and that both men have fully rehabilitated in the 10 years they have spent in Jail. Why then the ridiculous circus fanfare that was reserved for them only?

    -Time and Time again, Widodo has refused to speak to the Australian Prime Minister. The Prime Minister of a Country who gives them 600 million in aid each year.

    -There are allegations that the Justice is corrupt and that the very Justices who decided that these men should die wanted a bribe before doing so.

    The Australian Government is not guilty of any crime, neither are Chan and Sukamaran's family. Perhaps our Indonesian "friends" - specifically Joko Widodo should remember that. The way they have handled this is beyond disgraceful.
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    Re: Despite Protests, Indonesia Moves Forward to Execute Drug Convicts

    Personally i believe the death penalty is not warranted for crimes of this nature. But apparently the people of Indonesia disagree and it is their country and their criminal justice system. I respect that.
    Other than that I feel that nobody can fault the families and loved ones of those who are to be executed for doing what they can. But amidst all the wailing I hear very little concern for the victims of these convicted criminals.

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    Re: Despite Protests, Indonesia Moves Forward to Execute Drug Convicts

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Personally i believe the death penalty is not warranted for crimes of this nature. But apparently the people of Indonesia disagree and it is their country and their criminal justice system. I respect that.
    Other than that I feel that nobody can fault the families and loved ones of those who are to be executed for doing what they can. But amidst all the wailing I hear very little concern for the victims of these convicted criminals.
    read post four.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Despite Protests, Indonesia Moves Forward to Execute Drug Convicts

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    read post four.
    That actually amplifies my point.

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    Re: Despite Protests, Indonesia Moves Forward to Execute Drug Convicts

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    That actually amplifies my point.
    Oh dear. So you sympathize with the governments right to kill people for doing what they are involved in routinely. Oh boy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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