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Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent [W:437]

Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

exactly.. a "range"... we all know thats about all tree rings can provide.. but we are observing "fractions of a percent"... thats why I scoffed at that..not much we can truly know by tree rings unless we are using the same age trees from all over, the same species.. yada..
Related to tree rings, on a local bypass they planted a group of trees all within about 1 week.
If you look at those trees about 5 years on, the tall one in the middle seems to have done better.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.533...m4!1e1!3m2!1s-VcdAdXaEpGlyj3YR7TRkg!2e0?hl=en
I wonder if it was a lot warmer at that spot than all around?
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Please explain to us what the article was about in your own words, and why it was well-played. Entertain us :)

again.. what dinosaur created the Ice age?...
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Related to tree rings, on a local bypass they planted a group of trees all within about 1 week.
If you look at those trees about 5 years on, the tall one in the middle seems to have done better.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.533...m4!1e1!3m2!1s-VcdAdXaEpGlyj3YR7TRkg!2e0?hl=en
I wonder if it was a lot warmer at that spot than all around?

BINGO.. or better nutrients or able to get better tap root etc..who knows?
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Something that can be adjusted, manipulated and or ignored outright apparently.

No, that's not what it means--explain temperature to us in your own words.

Can't take you seriously if you use and don't know their meaning.

Now " Science " can include presentations based on subjective and arbitrary calculations ( homogenzation ) instead of accurate and empirical data.

Explain to us statistical homogenization in your own words.

Why should we take your "criticism" seriously if you don't even know what you're criticizing :rolleyes:
 
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Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

again.. what dinosaur created the Ice age?...

Once again, you claimed to agree w/an article, but couldn't even explain what was in it.

Don't hurt your brain--stick to words like "gun" and "barn."
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Translates to "rush told me that global warming is solely based in politics and predetermined agenda."

You should have listened the first time you heard it. :)
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Please explain to us what the article was about in your own words, and why it was well-played. Entertain us :)
According to the concept of AGW as presented by the IPCC in Baede, et al 2001, still cited as the key concepts
in climate science, the supposed feedback from CO2 would be from the 14 um IR from the sun heated ground.
One would expect a lot more of this to be going on in the daytime, but in fact the opposite is true.
Most of the observed warming has been in nighttime lows not going as low, not in daytime highs.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

exactly.. a "range"... we a know thats all tree rings can provide.. but we are observing "fractions of a percent"... thats why I scoffed at that..not much we can truly know by tree rings unless we are using the same age trees from all over, the same species.. yada..


Actually you can look at tree rings are tell a lot about the growing season. You can't tell how warm it was in August but they give you a pretty good look at the year..
 
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BINGO.. or better nutrients or able to get better tap root etc..who knows?
Right, many variables can affect the size of the rings. attaching only warmer and cooler conditions to the size
could have more errors that,...AGW!
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Once again, you claimed to agree w/an article, but couldn't even explain what was in it.

Don't hurt your brain--stick to words like "gun" and "barn."


youre being destroyed here if you havent noticed..

the article was great.. it showed real science witha real control for starters and how many variables are in play..
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Right, many variables can affect the size of the rings. attaching only warmer and cooler conditions to the size
could have more errors that,...AGW!

exactly...
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Actually you can look at tree rings are tell a lot about the growing season. You can't tell how warm it was in August but they give you a pretty good look at the year..

true.. but its far far from exact and like you said a range... also soil nutrients etc are huge variables
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Once again, you claimed to agree w/an article, but couldn't even explain what was in it.

Don't hurt your brain--stick to words like "gun" and "barn."

so again..how did the dinosaurs create the ice age?... that should be a simple question for you.. or do you need to call Al?
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

So I am guessing you are ready to discuss the quantum mechanisms that would
cause the diurnal asymmetry in the response of CO2.
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1995/1995_Hansen_etal_2.pdf

thats game set match...

well played my friend...

Please explain to us what the article was about in your own words, and why it was well-played. Entertain us :)

I only read the abstract, but the paper has nothing to do with quantum mechanics, infers that agw exists but is being counterbalanced by forced cooling, and that warming is set to increase in the future.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

I only read the abstract, but the paper has nothing to do with quantum mechanics, infers that agw exists but is being counterbalanced by forced cooling, and that warming is set to increase in the future.

I will boil it down.. it shows real science with a real control and that many variables are in play and that we dont know the reason why tempature changes, nor can we prove any one thing is the factor..

so I guess the liberal scientists LOL... are clueless


But the liberal Al Gore fleecing of the USA is in full play.. as tjhe liberals use this to keep gas and taxes as high as possible.. to outlaw coal and for us to be not the powere house manufacturer this country once was


hahahahhahah can you imagine if the name Al Gore was Dick Cheney ..the liberals heads would explode
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

I only read the abstract, but the paper has nothing to do with quantum mechanics, infers that agw exists but is being counterbalanced by forced cooling, and that warming is set to increase in the future.
Well they are suggesting that aerosols could be causing the asymmetry, but aerosols are not evenly
distributed around the globe, but the asymmetry appears all over.
Logically it must be something more fundamentally tied to the CO2 excitation states,
hence the quantum mechanism.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

I live here, and Rio Vista is not in the "metroplex" area. There are miles and miles of open countryside between Fort Worth and that area. It's 60 miles from Dallas alone.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...e_United_States_and_Puerto_Rico,_Feb_2013.gif
Johnson County, Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Johnson County is included in the Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metropolitan Statistical Area.


sad that you don't know anything about where you live.... ?
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Why do people still debate this? I guess time will take care of the ones that do...
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Where's the evidence for this taxpayer funded manipulation? CITE.



Homogenization is a peer-reviewed process by which scientists remove data from measurements that are attributed to errors associated w/the manner in which the measurements are made. . .

Homogenisation of monthly and annual data from surface stations



Here's the 2012 article from the NOAA where they claimed July 2012 as the hottest month on record, surpassing July 1936...

The Summer of 2012 -- Too Hot to Handle? - NASA Science

And their initial graph showing July 2012 surpassing July 1936...

noaa_usavg_temps_july_focuson_1936_from_20121.jpg

And here's their revised chart posted on their website in June of 2014...

noaa_usavg_temps_july_focuson_1936_from_20141.jpg

Now I'm sure you'll claim that it was just a marginal adjustment and there's nothing to see here. Problem is they only changed it after a outside Scientist not affiliated with the NOAA exposed their faulty data.

And these manipulations and fraud isn't restricted to the US Government

Australian Bureau of Meteorology accused of Criminally Adjusted Global Warming - Breitbart

" At Amberley, Queensland, for example, the data at a weather station showing 1 degree Celsius cooling per century was “homogenized” (adjusted) by the Bureau so that it instead showed a 2.5 degrees warming per century.

At Rutherglen, Victoria, a cooling trend of -0.35 degrees C per century was magically transformed at the stroke of an Australian meteorologist’s pen into a warming trend of 1.73 degrees C per century. "

Of-course it took a REAL Scientist, Australian scientist Jennifer Marohasy to expose this monumental fraud poorly disguised as " Science ".

Oh and we can't leave out the fraud that is the Hockey Stick graph, can we ?? Michael Mann's gift to all the ideologue pinheads who think that Man Made Global Warming is a credible threat to mankind.

Here's fellow IPPCC Author Dr John Christy confirming that the Hockey Stick graph is little more that propaganda during his 2011 testimony in front of the US House of Representatives Science, Space and Technology Committee.

" Regarding the Hockey Stick of IPCC 2001 evidence now indicates, in my view, that an IPCC Lead Author working with a small cohort of scientists, misrepresented the temperature record of the past 1000 years by (a) promoting his own result as the best estimate, (b) neglecting studies that contradicted his, and (c) amputating another's result so as to eliminate conflicting data and limit any serious attempt to expose the real uncertainties of these data. "
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Translates to "rush told me that global warming is solely based in politics and predetermined agenda."

Al Gore has made hundreds of millions of dollars off this fabrication. Nice job.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Why do people still debate this? I guess time will take care of the ones that do...

Because people need to be educated on the fraud that is AGW.

If it wasn't for the people who are standing up to this the United States would be neck deep in destructive and repressive regulations. The destructive Carbon credit legislation that is hurting the economies of States like California would be part of the National landscape.

Basically, consumers taxed so the Government can fix a problem that doesn't exist. I personally don't like being picked pocket by dishonest ideologues.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

No, that's not what it means--explain temperature to us in your own words.

Can't take you seriously if you use and don't know their meaning.

Wet bulb or dry bulb ? And do you need me to expand on their relationship in reference to humidity and dew point ? Do you need me to plot RH on a psychometric chart too ?

Just let me know " Mr Science "...


Explain to us statistical homogenization in your own words.

Why should we take your "criticism" seriously if you don't even know what you're criticizing :rolleyes:

Fraud and manipulation to arrive at a predetermined conclusion. Pro-AGW fodder for all of the useful idiots out there who think Man is warming the planet and that Co2 is something that should be regulated and taxed.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Wet bulb or dry bulb ? And do you need me to expand on their relationship in reference to humidity and dew point ? Do you need me to plot RH on a psychometric chart too ?

Just let me know " Mr Science "...




Fraud and manipulation to arrive at a predetermined conclusion. Pro-AGW fodder for all of the useful idiots out there who think Man is warming the planet and that Co2 is something that should be regulated and taxed.

Nothing that is occurring with the climate is inconsistent with the science.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Nothing that is occurring with the climate is inconsistent with the science.

I agree.

What's inconsistent are the claims from the Pro-AGW crowd who base their assertions on manipulated data.

Who have redifined " Science " according to their arbitrary definitions and who continue to justify fraud because it fits their narrative..

Their destructive solutions that involve Regulating and taxing a trace gas thats needed for photosynthesis is inconsistent with Science.

Sorry, but they need to be challenged. If they were left to their own devices every State in the Nation would be under the crushing economic weight of Carbon emission " solutions " that only wind up fleecing the Middle class.

All one needs to do is look at the destructive effects of Germany's purely ideological dive into solving " Global warming."

Their " Green revolution " has led to massive subsidies payed for by the consumer through higher energy prices, taxes and fees. Germans back in 2013 already payed the Highest amount for electricity in the World but thanks to their conversion to over 100 percent " renewable energy sources " their utility rates increased another 20 percent.
 
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