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Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent [W:437]

Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

strawman as usual.

Climate change is a real scientific term that has a real meaning other than the one AGW want to give it. the fact is the earths climate is supposed to change.
if it didn't then we would be in real trouble. AGW on the other than is a theory nothing more.

however because people didn't buy into the theory of AGW the zealots tried to hijack a real scientific term and started calling it climate change.
this is a dishonest tactic by people that can't prove their original theory.

the more real scientists other than the IPCC look into it the more and more info we get that well it isn't the doom and gloom scenario that AGW zealots would have
us believe.

Reid Bryson, one of the founders of modern climatology, first coined the term global warming in the 70's. WECN May 2007 We are living in an interglacial period where temperatures are moderate. The climate swings from warmer to much colder over the millennia. Climate is complex and we have only recently gotten the tools to accurately measure it. We are still trying to figure out what to do with the data.

You are right that AGW is a theory. It's not settled science and while tracking consensus is interesting in a very limited way, it has nothing to do with validation of the theory. We don't get to vote on theories, They require proof.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

I only LOL @ people who pull stats out of their ass. See above.
You'll have to be more specific. I don't see any post "above" that suggests anything other than you pulling stats out of your...
 
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Yes it has.
You read your link and a bunch of holes should have jumped off the screen ...
1. When compared with pre-1800s levels,
do you think that mean global temperatures
have generally risen, fallen, or
remained relatively constant?
2. Do you think human activity is a significant
contributing factor in changing
mean global temperatures?

What's "significant?"

An invitation to participate in the survey
was sent to 10,257 Earth scientists.
With 3146 individuals completing the survey,
the participant response rate for the
survey was 30.7%.
Approximately 5% of
the respondents were climate scientists,

and 8.5% of the respondents indicated that
more than 50% of their peer-reviewed publications
in the past 5 years have been on the
subject of climate change.

TRANSLATION: A third who were asked to participate actually participated, of them hardly any were climate scientists, and those that did participate have a vested career interest in promoting AGW.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

1) Is man burning fossil fuels that in turn release CO2 that is not currently part of the natural atmospheric (and oceanic, too, for that matter) CO2 cycle?

The Earth has had periods where the CO2 levels have been at least 8 times todays levels. Those periods coincided with the greatest flourishing of all life on the planet. The optimum level for plant growth is currently three times that of today at around 1200 PPM

2) Does said CO2 have IR active vibrational modes?

Academic as we do not currently know the climate sensitivity of CO2 ergo any values put into climate models are pure guesswork. Given how wildly out of kilter those models are with observed reality those guesses have obviously been far too high

3) If your answer to 1 and 2 is yes, then it isn't "bunkum"

Of course it is
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

H2O easily leaves the atmosphere.
In fact its net residence time is typically 1% or less of CO2.

But you knew that. You know what to do next, right?. Integrals.

But in order to justify its existence the IPCC has been grossly exaggerating the atmospheric CO2 residence time if we compare its guesstimates with the published literature on the subject. Its when I discovered stuff like this was going on and started checking some of the other claims being made for AGW that I became a skeptic.

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Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Reid Bryson, one of the founders of modern climatology, first coined the term global warming in the 70's. WECN May 2007 We are living in an interglacial period where temperatures are moderate. The climate swings from warmer to much colder over the millennia. Climate is complex and we have only recently gotten the tools to accurately measure it. We are still trying to figure out what to do with the data.

You are right that AGW is a theory. It's not settled science and while tracking consensus is interesting in a very limited way, it has nothing to do with validation of the theory. We don't get to vote on theories, They require proof.

they can't even accurately measure it. only 3 of their 200 models actually correctly track observed temperatures. all the other models are so far off by their bias toward co2 that it makes it laughable that they can present this as any real science.

I am just noting a fact that AGW is not climate change. it is a totally separate theory and it shows the dishonesty of these zealots that they try and hijack another term to push their agenda.
 
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But in order to justify its existence the IPCC has been grossly exaggerating the atmospheric CO2 residence time if we compare its guesstimates with the published literature on the subject. Its when I discovered stuff like this was going on and started checking some of the other claims being made for AGW that I became a skeptic.

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you have to understand the purpose of the IPCC and it states in their mission to study man's impact on climate. they ignore everything else and soley focus on man's impact.
if they were to find that man actually has somewhat of a minimal impact on climate then well they are no longer needed and those billions of dollars go elsewhere.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Here's more brilliance from the global warming preachers.

http://www.weather.com/news/news/texas-tornado-severe-storm

Uh, no, folks at weather.com, this is not the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex. This is in rural Texas.

Climate/weather experts should be able to read a map.
 
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Of course the climate changes, and would do so even if humans had never evolved, I suspect. But that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not the climate is changing for the worse due in any part to human activity. And there are plenty of scientific studies suggesting it does.

If there isn't a perfect climate, than there is no "worse".
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

If there isn't a perfect climate, than there is no "worse".

Thats a point nobody seems to address. Just what is this climate 'ideal' we should be aiming for and why are todays currently stagnant temperature levels deemed somehow to be all wrong ?
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Wait, you mean all the frothing, and foaming over "global warming" was based on manipulated, or incomplete data, and flawed models? I......AM.......SHOCKED!!!!!! :cool:

This video explains everything....

 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Wait, you mean all the frothing, and foaming over "global warming" was based on manipulated, or incomplete data, and flawed models? I......AM.......SHOCKED!!!!!! :cool:

Before you start frothing and foaming, explain to us, in your own words, what the global warming issue is all about.

Reason is that konservatives have a long-standing tendency (both in this forum and in life) of talking out of their asses, i. e. trying to comment on topics/comprehend they don't even comprehend.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Personally, Im all for anything man can do to increase Oxygen levels.

You know, so we can have spiders and scorpions the size of SUVs as pets.....and bitter enemies.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Before you start frothing and foaming, explain to us, in your own words, what the global warming issue is all about.

Reason is that konservatives have a long-standing tendency (both in this forum and in life) of talking out of their asses, i. e. trying to comment on topics/comprehend they don't even comprehend.

And self-important, underachieving liberals have a long-standing tendency to pull crap out of their asses, wrap it in a predisposed "study", and use it to invent new ways to tax the people that are kicking their collective ass.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

they can't even accurately measure it. only 3 of their 200 models actually correctly track observed temperatures. all the other models are so far off by their bias toward co2 that it makes it laughable that they can present this as any real science.

I am just noting a fact that AGW is not climate change. it is a totally separate theory and it shows the dishonesty of these zealots that they try and hijack another term to push their agenda.

Fifty years ago we used to measure the temperature of the ocean with a boat, a bucket, a rope and a thermometer. Now we do it from space. We have tools to measure temperature and photograph ice coverage, some would argue that we don't have the integrity to honestly report findings, knowledge to accurately predict trends and broadcast data which doesn't fit the religious and political models of AGW.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Yes it has.
You read your link and a bunch of holes should have jumped off the screen ...


What's "significant?"





TRANSLATION: A third who were asked to participate actually participated, of them hardly any were climate scientists, and those that did participate have a vested career interest in promoting AGW.


swing and a miss.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

The Earth has had periods where the CO2 levels have been at least 8 times todays levels. Those periods coincided with the greatest flourishing of all life on the planet. The optimum level for plant growth is currently three times that of today at around 1200 PPM

and what have levels been that sustained the climate whereby it was possible to build the major "western" population centers of the world?



Academic as we do not currently know the climate sensitivity of CO2 ergo any values put into climate models are pure guesswork. Given how wildly out of kilter those models are with observed reality those guesses have obviously been far too high

so do you think CO2 has IR active modes, or not? yes? or no?.

Of course it is
perhaps in your alternative universe where CO2 has IR inactive modes and works to decrease the net energy budget of the atmosphere




ps, why do you ignore the part about the oceans? don't have any copypasta denier website "bunkum" on the topic?
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Here's more brilliance from the global warming preachers.

http://www.weather.com/news/news/texas-tornado-severe-storm

Uh, no, folks at weather.com, this is not the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex. This is in rural Texas.

Climate/weather experts should be able to read a map.


Rio Vista is part of the DFW MSA.

Forum posters should be able to read wiki before self-owning.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Before you start frothing and foaming, explain to us, in your own words, what the global warming issue is all about.

Reason is that konservatives have a long-standing tendency (both in this forum and in life) of talking out of their asses, i. e. trying to comment on topics/comprehend they don't even comprehend.

Actually its the other way around.

Liberals from my experience are perennially ignorant Scientifically. Why ?

I have a theory. To believe in the Pseudo Science called Anthropogenic Global warming you have to be willing to ignore glaring attempts by the Pro-AGW lobby to misrepresent and manipulate data.

You have to condone the fraudulent manipulation of data AND the reclassification of the processes that have been used for millennia to seperate Science and Fraud.

So the Pro-AGW people go into this issue already with maybe a rudimentary understanding of the Scientific method and since their motivation on this issue is based on a ideological position and not Science they never grow out of just parroting propaganda.
 
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and what have levels been that sustained the climate whereby it was possible to build the major "western" population centers of the world?

Obviously had CO2 levels been much higher the major population centers you speak of would have been far better able to feed themselves than they are today through increased crop yields. This short film gives a graphic demonstration of the great benefits of extra CO2 on plant life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qVNK6zFgE

so do you think CO2 has IR active modes, or not? yes? or no?.

Yes but its climate sensitivity is of such a low order that its impact is inconsequential. As another poster has already noted it is water vapour that is by far the most important factor. Here are the numbers

Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers

perhaps in your alternative universe where CO2 has IR inactive modes and works to decrease the net energy budget of the atmosphere

This universe works just fine for me thanks. Do you understand what I mean by the term climate sensitivity ? It means how much extra CO2 equates to how much temperature rise. This is a figure that is critical but yet is quite unknown. We have yet to discern much less quantify the human fingerprint on climate from normal natural background variability
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Obviously had CO2 levels been much higher the major population centers you speak of would have been far better able to feed themselves than they are today through increased crop yields. This short film gives a graphic demonstration of the great benefits of extra CO2 on plant life.

1) try reading. those western population centers are where crops have high yield

2) LMAO @ not understanding hypercapnia and then posting on and on.......
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Before you start frothing and foaming, explain to us, in your own words, what the global warming issue is all about.

Reason is that konservatives have a long-standing tendency (both in this forum and in life) of talking out of their asses, i. e. trying to comment on topics/comprehend they don't even comprehend.

Al Gore is GOP...who knew?...
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

1) try reading. those western population centers are where crops have high yield

2) LMAO @ not understanding hypercapnia and then posting on and on.......

If you are only here to ignore or dismiss what you don't want to see and wave a flag at me you can stop wasting my time :roll:
 
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