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Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent [W:437]

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Wait, you mean all the frothing, and foaming over "global warming" was based on manipulated, or incomplete data, and flawed models? I......AM.......SHOCKED!!!!!! :cool:

that is not science what are you talking about. you are just in denial and don't know what real science is :lamo
how long has it been said that there are major issues with their climate models and that the alarmists just shrug it off as there is no issue.
 
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Ok,

1. how does that refute the Duke scientists?

2. The study provided by the Florida commission is just another group using their conclusion first, then working to prove the conclusion....That's NOT science.

it is what we call circular logic which is of course a logical fallacy.
 
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For every one study that diminishes the effects of climate change there's ten that substantiate them.

you mean AGW not climate change. don't hijack real scientific terms to spew AGW nonsense. climate change has always occurred it is supposed to.
 
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don't hijack real scientific terms
Yeah...you guy....Anthropogenic Global Warming...is not a "real" scientific term.....you.....guy!
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

That there's a far greater body of scientific work documenting climate change and it's ill effects to the environment. Thought it was clear enough.

Have you read any of those studies ? I have and they are modelled speculation piled on modelled speculation. There is no empircal evidence whatsoever confirming the AGW hypothesis in any of them and there never has been. There is also a very large body of contrarian work contradicting it that is being ignored because of the money and politics

Popular Technology.net: 1350+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarmism

AGW is a tax raising vehicle for politicians and they pay handsomely for anything that will bolster it hence the plethora of worthless speculative studies being produced
 
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What you mean my government has had me paying a 20% carbon tax levy on my energy bills for the last 5 years .... for NOTHING !

Meanwhile in the real world just look at what all that extra nasty nasty CO2 has been doing for us while it hasn't been following the doomsday models

Increased levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) have helped boost green foliage across the world's arid regions over the past 30 years through a process called CO2 fertilisation, according to CSIRO research. In findings based on satellite observations, CSIRO, in collaboration with the Australian National University (ANU), found that this CO2 fertilisation correlated with an 11 per cent increase in foliage cover from 1982-2010 across parts of the arid areas studied in Australia, North America, the Middle East and Africa

So it turns out that all this demonized extra CO2 has actually been a good thing for the biosphere ! Who'd have thunk it :shock:

Deserts 'greening' from rising carbon dioxide: Green foliage boosted across the world's arid regions -- ScienceDaily

I wonder if our friend 3idiots has seen this?
 
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Oh please don't give him any encouragement to troll this thread too :(

He is the most effective persuader that AGW is overhyped drivel. His constant meaningless inputs allow the rest of us to make our points again and again. Without him et al. there would be silence.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Have you read any of those studies ? I have and they are modelled speculation piled on modelled speculation. There is no empircal evidence whatsoever confirming the AGW hypothesis in any of them and there never has been. There is also a very large body of contrarian work contradicting it that is being ignored because of the money and politics

Popular Technology.net: 1350+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarmism

AGW is a tax raising vehicle for politicians and they pay handsomely for anything that will bolster it hence the plethora of worthless speculative studies being produced

Right, and the overwhelming majority of scientists around the world are a part of that tax raising conspiracy.
 
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No, there is a political/economic incentive to greatly exaggerate the affects of man with dubious science

A vast global conspiracy.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

More conspirators.

Oil, gas industry launches ‘immediate-impact’ plan to slash global warming emissions
Oil, gas industry launches
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Nice!

How about a 6" lowering kit? :) Naa, that'd prolly be too much.
With speed, you're going to need some handling, right?

Yeah, I've been looking at different packages to increase stability as I ramp up HP....It came factory with the 20" rims to make it stand taller, but amazingly it grips the road pretty good even at aggressive speeds entering curves while downshifting into acceleration....But, at the exact moment, I am speaking with my mech about re configuring the ECM to take advantage of the increased air induction....He says that can improve HP by another 20 to 40 HP without really blowing the wallet out of the water...That would take me to around 470.....
 
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A true believer? This isn't faith based. So no, I don't believe anything.
But there's far mor studies that acknowledge it then dispute it.
So I accept its likelihood.
What's unfortunate to me is that it's politicized to begin with.
The only agenda I see is a desire to have a stable environment with clean air, water and preservation of the status quo.

Those 2 statements don't make you go hmmmmm?
Volume of studies is the evidence?
You mean like 97% of climate scientists?
That's been shown to be BS.
So yes it is faith-based ... I'd wager that most laymen who have bought into AGW have done it on faith.
Just how much have you read from skeptics?
The failures of climate models & false predictions get nowhere near the ink that the alarmists did when they made them.
Looking at who's promoting AGW most should ring alarm bells for anyone.
 
Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

Those 2 statements don't make you go hmmmmm?
Volume of studies is the evidence?
You mean like 97% of climate scientists?
That's been shown to be BS.
So yes it is faith-based ... I'd wager that most laymen who have bought into AGW have done it on faith.
Just how much have you read from skeptics?
The failures of climate models & false predictions get nowhere near the ink that the alarmists did when they made them.
Looking at who's promoting AGW most should ring alarm bells for anyone.

Well, no it doesn't make me say hmmmmmm. And yes, it's unfortunate that such a thing is generally (but not universally) politicized in left verses right. You're suggesting that scientists the world over are involved in a conspiracy with left wing political groups to scam the worlds populations of more money. That just seems incredible.

And I am watching who's promoting the need for change.
Oil, gas industry launches ‘immediate-impact’ plan to slash global warming emissions
http://www.un.org/climatechange/sum...e-impact-plan-slash-global-warming-emissions/
 
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Right, and the overwhelming majority of scientists around the world are a part of that tax raising conspiracy.

And turkeys don't vote for christmas so I'll just go with the thermometers. I've already illustrated at some length using actual peer reviewed sources that this whole agenda is simply politicized bunkum.

C3: Global Warming: Evidence-Facts Vs. CO2-AGW
 
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Well, no it doesn't make me say hmmmmmm. And yes, it's unfortunate that such a thing is generally (but not universally) politicized in left verses right. You're suggesting that scientists the world over are involved in a conspiracy with left wing political groups to scam the worlds populations of more money. That just seems incredible.

And I am watching who's promoting the need for change.
Oil, gas industry launches ‘immediate-impact’ plan to slash global warming emissions
Oil, gas industry launches

Not so much a conspiracy as a rush to secure grant money....Not to mention that those that step out of line are thoroughly trashed, and ruined within their community....I mean just look at the 'go to' in a simple thread like this from the jump...It wasn't a serious discussion about anything other than trashing the source, and it continues.
 
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And turkeys don't vote for christmas. I've already illustrated at some length using actual peer reviewed sources that this whole agenda is simply politicized bunkum.

C3: Global Warming: Evidence-Facts Vs. CO2-AGW


1) Is man burning fossil fuels that in turn release CO2 that is not currently part of the natural atmospheric (and oceanic, too, for that matter) CO2 cycle?

2) Does said CO2 have IR active vibrational modes?

3) If your answer to 1 and 2 is yes, then it isn't "bunkum"
 
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1) Is man burning fossil fuels that in turn release CO2 that is not currently part of the natural atmospheric (and oceanic, too, for that matter) CO2 cycle?

2) Does said CO2 have IR active vibrational modes?

3) If your answer to 1 and 2 is yes, then it isn't "bunkum"

You leave out whether or not it is actually a significant driver of atmospheric change....By far, the overwhelming driver of that is water vapor....Good luck controlling that.
 
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You leave out whether or not it is actually a significant driver of atmospheric change....By far, the overwhelming driver of that is water vapor....Good luck controlling that.

H2O easily leaves the atmosphere.
In fact its net residence time is typically 1% or less of CO2.

But you knew that. You know what to do next, right?. Integrals.
 
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Yeah...you guy....Anthropogenic Global Warming...is not a "real" scientific term.....you.....guy!

strawman as usual.

Climate change is a real scientific term that has a real meaning other than the one AGW want to give it. the fact is the earths climate is supposed to change.
if it didn't then we would be in real trouble. AGW on the other than is a theory nothing more.

however because people didn't buy into the theory of AGW the zealots tried to hijack a real scientific term and started calling it climate change.
this is a dishonest tactic by people that can't prove their original theory.

the more real scientists other than the IPCC look into it the more and more info we get that well it isn't the doom and gloom scenario that AGW zealots would have
us believe.
 
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Yeah, I've been looking at different packages to increase stability as I ramp up HP....It came factory with the 20" rims to make it stand taller, but amazingly it grips the road pretty good even at aggressive speeds entering curves while downshifting into acceleration....But, at the exact moment, I am speaking with my mech about re configuring the ECM to take advantage of the increased air induction....He says that can improve HP by another 20 to 40 HP without really blowing the wallet out of the water...That would take me to around 470.....

Came across some information about changing the size of the rims.

Seems that many people are putting larger rims on SUVs and the like, and while they may check for body clearance and tire performance when they do, they don't check what effect it has on the load rating of the vehicle. An example presented up sized the rim size, and nearly halved the weight carrying capacity. Perhaps something to be aware of?
 
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Well, no it doesn't make me say hmmmmmm. And yes, it's unfortunate that such a thing is generally (but not universally) politicized in left verses right. You're suggesting that scientists the world over are involved in a conspiracy with left wing political groups to scam the worlds populations of more money. That just seems incredible.

And I am watching who's promoting the need for change.
Oil, gas industry launches ‘immediate-impact’ plan to slash global warming emissions
Oil, gas industry launches

1) oil & gas is trying to save itself from the balls-out climate change crowd.
2) despite what you're being encouraged to accept, "scientists the world over" do not support AGW. And they're certainly not climate scientists.
3) I'm saying, yes, the prominent AGW crowd, those from whom you've heard & associate with AGW, are NOT climate scientists, but have built a wonderful new career and gotten some notoriety through AGW.

Ask yourself why the models and predictions have been so wrong so consistently ... yet the drumbeat continues.
 
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So says 97% of 0.75% of the scientists who were invited to participate in an online survey?

Can you say LOL?


I only LOL @ people who pull stats out of their ass. See above.
 
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