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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Please cite where you think I am wrong, I stated it is a theory,
    I should have added the invalidation criteria.
    If I am wrong the daytime and nighttime sky IR spectra should have equal amounts
    of the CO2 lines at 9.6 and 10.6 um.
    If these lines only exists when the CO2 (and hence the nitrogen) is exposed to sunlight,
    then I may not be right, but I am not entirely wrong.
    Such is the nature of the beast!
    Your post said that molecular partition functions do not obey Maxwell–Boltzmann statistics
    Show the work that supports this ?

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Which model is predicting 27.06 C, and for what?
    The baseline for GISS for example is 14 C, with the 1880 starting point at 13.8 C.
    If they saw a 3 C increase, it would be 16.8 C or 289.95 K.
    I don't know where you are going, but the models predicted warming of .21C per decade,
    For the last 1.4 decades the warming has been around .04 C per decade.
    At least according to the Nature article.
    Climate change: The case of the missing heat : Nature News & Comment
    If we look apply the same measurement to the GISS, (Through 2012)
    From 1998 (14.61 C) to 2012(14.58 C) the warming was a negative .021 C per decade,
    Or in scientific terms, cooling!

    smh , the point is they predict TEMPERATURES. and their predicted TEMPERATURES are off by (well less than) 1% {even with your cherry picked reference point}.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That was proof, and only starters. Now, I'm not interested in your skewed opinion.
    Yet another timewaster

    Your inability to comment on the obvious importance of this data in respect of the validity of the whole AGW hypothesis is duly noted

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Your post said that molecular partition functions do not obey Maxwell–Boltzmann statistics
    Show the work that supports this ?
    I am not quite sure what in particular you are talking about, but my post was a theory
    about the observation of diurnal asymmetry.
    The vibrational exchange between nitrogen and CO2 is quite a common energy path.
    Carbon dioxide laser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The population inversion in the laser is achieved by the following sequence:

    Electron impact excites vibrational motion of the nitrogen. Because nitrogen is a homonuclear
    molecule, it cannot lose this energy by photon emission,
    and its excited vibrational levels are therefore metastable and live for a long time.
    Collisional energy transfer between the nitrogen and the carbon dioxide molecule
    causes vibrational excitation of the carbon dioxide, with sufficient efficiency to
    lead to the desired population inversion necessary for laser operation.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    smh , the point is they predict TEMPERATURES. and their predicted TEMPERATURES are off by (well less than) 1% {even with your cherry picked reference point}.
    If you use the Kelvin scale where 1% is 2.88 K (as well as 2.88 C), but then the 1%
    would cover most of the IPCC prediction. Who is cherry picking now?
    FYI the 1998 to 2012 time frame was the time frame from the Nature article.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    smh , the point is they predict TEMPERATURES. and their predicted TEMPERATURES are off by (well less than) 1% {even with your cherry picked reference point}.
    Or you can compare it too absolute zero if you like, but touting that an error is 'less than 1 percent' is meaningless when the whole point of the model is to accurately predict temperatures and trends within that 1 percent. Either a model is useless in doing so, or it is not. If it can't predict trends from the status quo, its useless - regardless of "error".

    (PS - I see that longview just made the same point).

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Yet another timewaster

    Your inability to comment on the obvious importance of this data in respect of the validity of the whole AGW hypothesis is duly noted
    You're always a ****ing waste of my time. Go bother somebody else dude, I'm tired of you and your arrogance already.
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am not quite sure what in particular you are talking about, but my post was a theory
    about the observation of diurnal asymmetry.
    The vibrational exchange between nitrogen and CO2 is quite a common energy path.
    Carbon dioxide laser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Thank you for giving a link which supports my point and refutes yours. Please revisit Maxwell Boltzmann statistics, and partition functions.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Or you can compare it too absolute zero if you like, but touting that an error is 'less than 1 percent' is meaningless when the whole point of the model is to accurately predict temperatures and trends within that 1 percent. Either a model is useless in doing so, or it is not. If it can't predict trends from the status quo, its useless - regardless of "error".

    (PS - I see that longview just made the same point).

    Wait, --- ARE ONE OF YOU finally admitting that it's really an asinine measure to use #s to make completely disingenuous points? Gee, now you know how I feel when I read "1998-- no warming! hiatus".

    You see- 2 can play this game, except I can play it in far more ways than most of you can.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

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    What is climate change? | Climate Change Education | Climate Change | Washington State Department of Ecology

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    The scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and that it is extremely likely (at least 95% probability) that humans are causing most of it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels. In addition, it is likely that some potential further greenhouse gas warming has been offset by increased aerosols.[1][2][3][4] This scientific consensus is expressed in synthesis reports, by scientific bodies of national or international standing, and by surveys of opinion among climate scientists. Individual scientists, universities, and laboratories contribute to the overall scientific opinion via their peer-reviewed publications, and the areas of collective agreement and relative certainty are summarised in these high level reports and surveys.
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    Just for starters.
    Here's the thing about the internet and looking for web sites that agree with you. Globalissues.org is owned by and articles written by a guy named Anup Shah. He seems like a nice man, originally from India. He's an attorney specializing in commercial and property documentation. That doesn't stop him from building a web site and talking about anything he wants on it but I'm not quite sure I'd count him as an expert on earth science.
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