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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait, you mean all the frothing, and foaming over "global warming" was based on manipulated, or incomplete data, and flawed models? I......AM.......SHOCKED!!!!!!
    Trust me, warmers never want it to be over either. No matter how many years, no matter how many policy changes, we'll ALWAYS global warming.
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Thats strange
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    From Nature,
    Climate change: The case of the missing heat : Nature News & Comment

    That does not sound like a 1% accuracy to me.
    What is .17 divided by T ? Do you think anywhere on the surface of Earth is regularly below 170 K?

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Right well at least you read the paper.

    However, quantum mechanics isn't the logical conclusion to jump to when it comes to a diurnal temperature. Quantum mechanics isn't affected by day and night, nor the intensity of incoming radiation. The main conclusion that I see the paper come to is that there is an something unknown (circa 1995) that is forcing cooling. Furthermore:
    Since the diurnal asymmetry seems to be present everywhere they look, and CO2 is one of the
    well distributed greenhouse gasses, it could be tied to CO2.
    For a given geographic location the intensity of incoming radiation is radically affected by day and night.
    I have a theory, that in sunlight conditions, nitrogen is excited, and passes a quantum vibrational mode
    to almost all of the CO2. (Yes it is a contact transfer).
    while the quantum excited cycle of CO2 is short in Human time, it is long in quantum time,
    between 20 and 50 ms. While the molecule is spontaneously decaying, it cannot absorb
    the 14 um ground emissions.
    (Basically I am saying that CO2 in the daytime stays in a state of population inversion.)
    This would explain why CO2 does what we think it should at night, but not in the daytime.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And turkeys don't vote for christmas so I'll just go with the thermometers. I've already illustrated at some length using actual peer reviewed sources that this whole agenda is simply politicized bunkum.

    C3: Global Warming: Evidence-Facts Vs. CO2-AGW
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    What is .17 divided by T ? Do you think anywhere on the surface of Earth is regularly below 170 K?
    What are you talking about?
    You said in post #278
    Most of the current models to date are accurate to well within 1%....
    I responded with the nature article, stating that the models predicted warming
    of .21 C per decade from 1998 to 2012, when the observed warming was actually
    .04 C per decade. So the model is not prediction is not within 1% of the observed temperature.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not so much a conspiracy as a rush to secure grant money....Not to mention that those that step out of line are thoroughly trashed, and ruined within their community....I mean just look at the 'go to' in a simple thread like this from the jump...It wasn't a serious discussion about anything other than trashing the source, and it continues.
    Well, if the source is trash....................
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    What are you talking about?
    You said in post #278

    I responded with the nature article, stating that the models predicted warming
    of .21 C per decade from 1998 to 2012, when the observed warming was actually
    .04 C per decade. So the model is not prediction is not within 1% of the observed temperature.
    the models predict temperatures of ....
    300.21 K vs 300.04K .
    (for example)

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Since the diurnal asymmetry seems to be present everywhere they look, and CO2 is one of the
    well distributed greenhouse gasses, it could be tied to CO2.
    For a given geographic location the intensity of incoming radiation is radically affected by day and night.
    I have a theory, that in sunlight conditions, nitrogen is excited, and passes a quantum vibrational mode
    to almost all of the CO2. (Yes it is a contact transfer).
    while the quantum excited cycle of CO2 is short in Human time, it is long in quantum time,
    between 20 and 50 ms. While the molecule is spontaneously decaying, it cannot absorb
    the 14 um ground emissions.
    (Basically I am saying that CO2 in the daytime stays in a state of population inversion.)
    This would explain why CO2 does what we think it should at night, but not in the daytime.

    more pseudoscientific wtf-ery.
    Last edited by SlevinKelevra; 04-28-15 at 08:36 AM.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    1) oil & gas is trying to save itself from the balls-out climate change crowd.
    2) despite what you're being encouraged to accept, "scientists the world over" do not support AGW. And they're certainly not climate scientists.
    3) I'm saying, yes, the prominent AGW crowd, those from whom you've heard & associate with AGW, are NOT climate scientists, but have built a wonderful new career and gotten some notoriety through AGW.

    Ask yourself why the models and predictions have been so wrong so consistently ... yet the drumbeat continues.
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    Just for starters.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 04-28-15 at 08:23 AM.
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No. Reality of humans being selfish.
    Well that was dismissive enough.
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