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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    I will boil it down.. it shows real science with a real control and that many variables are in play and that we dont know the reason why tempature changes, nor can we prove any one thing is the factor..

    so I guess the liberal scientists LOL... are clueless


    But the liberal Al Gore fleecing of the USA is in full play.. as tjhe liberals use this to keep gas and taxes as high as possible.. to outlaw coal and for us to be not the powere house manufacturer this country once was

    hahahahhahah can you imagine if the name Al Gore was Dick Cheney ..the liberals heads would explode
    Before you say the paper is real science, you do realize it is pro-AGW?

    Finally, we note that the claim made by "greenhouse critics" in the popular press, that global warming is a "benign" nighttime phenomenon, is incorrect. The temperature changes, as we have shown, represent the combination of an overall warming and a damping of the diurnal cycle. We can safely predict that on the long run the effect of the diurnal damping on maximum temperatures will be small,
    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Well they are suggesting that aerosols could be causing the asymmetry, but aerosols are not evenly
    distributed around the globe, but the asymmetry appears all over.
    Logically it must be something more fundamentally tied to the CO2 excitation states,
    hence the quantum mechanism.
    Right well at least you read the paper.

    However, quantum mechanics isn't the logical conclusion to jump to when it comes to a diurnal temperature. Quantum mechanics isn't affected by day and night, nor the intensity of incoming radiation. The main conclusion that I see the paper come to is that there is an something unknown (circa 1995) that is forcing cooling. Furthermore:

    almost all of the damping caused by a climate forcing occurs immediately with the introduction of the forcing, while the mean temperature rise is delayed by the thermal inertia of the climate system. Thus the unrealized warming for greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere will appear almost equally in daily maximum and daily minimum temperatures.
    So the diurnal fluctuations could be partially responsible for the famous 'pause' we're having, but the paper specifically explains that this doesn't mean that global warming doesn't happen, there is just a lag introduced in the climate system.

    The closest the paper comes to the anti-AGW camp is to suggest:

    Thus the impact of policies related to fossil fuel use on the net climate forcing can be assessed reliably only with quantitative understanding of the aerosol and cloud forcings, as well as the greenhouse gas forcing. Comparison of the greenhouse gas and aerosol/cloud forcings is further complicated by the very different spatial distributions of these forcings, which implies that the 2, can not cause a simple cancellation
    Which we already know! We know that it's a complex system and that there are parts of it unknown to us. That doesn't mean that the whole theory is wrong. We don't fully understand the mechanics of gravity, that doesn't mean that gravity doesn't exist. We can measure the effects of gravity without intimately knowing the inner workings. Likewise here.
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    " Statistical Homogenation " is only credible as long as the people using it continue to go on unchallenged.
    You wouldn't know how credible it was since you don't even know what it means.

    For the 1765th time, define the term in your own words. If you don't understand it, then everything you say about it is nonsense.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Really? Which isotopes would those be? Since we're talking about "atoms that cannot be formed through natural phenomena" how are these radioisotopes being formed,
    I didn't say anything about radioisotopes. Do you know what an isotope is--can you explain it in your own words ?

    I have to ask since this forum is populated by conservatives who like to attack science even when they haven't a clue about what it is they're attacking.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait, you mean all the frothing, and foaming over "global warming" was based on manipulated, or incomplete data, and flawed models? I......AM.......SHOCKED!!!!!!
    In 2008 Prince Charles predicted that the world had 18 months to take action or there would be "dire consequences". The world didn't listen to and now look at the fine mess we're in!

    Prince Charles: Eighteen months to stop climate change disaster - Telegraph

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Hmmm your anecdote/opinion, or the government's MSA definition?
    Which is more credible?
    Well I know you love you some government, so carry on.

    I suppose Peoria is part of the Chicago metro area, too? Victorville is part of LA proper? Same drive time, and I've been all over this country.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    I didn't say anything about radioisotopes. Do you know what an isotope is--can you explain it in your own words ?

    I have to ask since this forum is populated by conservatives who like to attack science even when they haven't a clue about what it is they're attacking.
    You said these were "atoms that cannot be formed through natural phenomena" - since the only stable isotopes of carbon are naturally occurring, we can deduce that any "atoms that cannot be formed through natural phenomena" must be radioisotopes.

    We both know you don't have any idea what you're talking about here, but just for fun, why don't you take a stab at identifying these isotopes you alluded to earlier.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It looks more like right wingers have to be educated, since they keep arguing against terms/phrases that don't know the meaning of
    It looks like both you and Travis 007 are here to waste everybody elses time by turning this into a US centric political hate game. Neither of you have contributed anything here to genuine debate and are just here to spew bile at what you have framed as the opposing political camp you lack any valid comprehension of the real issues. Plenty of us here actually DO want to debate this issue rationally even if you have chosen not to so I for one appreciate it if you both would give it a rest
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Nothing that is occurring with the climate is inconsistent with the science.
    Nothing that is occurring with the climate is inconsistent with normal natural variability either. We have had many modest warming phases like this one since the last ice age. Today's is nothing special compared to some

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Most of the current models to date are accurate to well within 1%....
    Absolute nonsense as you have already been shown.

    STILL Epic Fail: 73 Climate Models vs. Measurements, Running 5-Year Means Roy Spencer, PhD

    Here is why they cannot predict diddly ....again

    http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a...5c9415b970b-pi

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    C3: Climate Models

    Climate models are essentially mathematical constructs. It is therefore quite impossible to get the correct answer from them if the values for the major input variables like CO2 climate sensitivity are unknown. The errors magnify exponentially the longer the model runs which explains the ever increasing diveregence between the models and the observed reality
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    And another nail in the coffin of the green religion. It started out harmless enough with picking up trash, cleaning up beaches and cutting down less trees. Until socialists saw an opportunity. A group of naive, idealistic, pot heads signing kumbaya around the capfire. A group of people easily influenced by feel goodery, pseudoscience, and dooms day predictions of death and destruction if we don't save the trees. Then they hijacked the green movement in order to hide their socialist agenda into it. It was a very smart idea, and one that almost worked. Pay scientists grants in order to come to forgon conclusions.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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