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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So the polar ice caps really did entirely disappear in 2013, huh?
    Who claimed the polar ice caps disappeared in 2013? Cite.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Who claimed the polar ice caps disappeared in 2013? Cite.
    Al Gore popularized it and he was entirely wrong. In fact, the same year he claimed it would all be gone, the polar ice caps hit a 35-year maximum.
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Al Gore popularized it and he was entirely wrong.
    Al Gore isn't a scientist. Therefore, any critique of global warming that centers around criticizing something he said or didn't say is irrelevant.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It looks more like right wingers have to be educated, since they keep arguing against terms/phrases that don't know the meaning of
    And the name of the thread is ?

    " Our Climate Models were Wrong " ...

    Well of-course they were wrong. They weren't based on empirical evidence and objective analysis and instead were constructed using manipulated data.

    Its wasn't people like me that were gullible enough to be taken in by false narratives and ridiculous predictions.

    It was and continues to be people like you.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    You were asked to define statistical homogenization in your own words, and yet nothing you posted contained that.

    Once again--if you don't understand what you're criticizing, there's no point in reading your "arguments." NEXT.
    " Statistical Homogenation " is only credible as long as the people using it continue to go on unchallenged.

    Its so " credible " that the NOAA was forced to change their assertions and re-instate July 1936 as the Hottest month on record.

    Apparently they didn't give much credence to their own process.

    You know, if they had only committed themselves to the age old Scientific process of using empirical data instead of data twisted to give them their desired conclusion they wouldn't have had to change their minds.

    But then again if they relied on Empirical evidence in the first place they couldn't have hood winked people like you into believing that AGW exist.

    Such is the conundrum that dishonesty creates.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Al Gore isn't a scientist. Therefore, any critique of global warming that centers around criticizing something he said or didn't say is irrelevant.
    Nor is he honest, or has any semblance of integrity or cares at all about the " Climate ".

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Most of the current models to date are accurate to well within 1%....
    Thats strange
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    ccuracy is the proximity of measurement results to the true value;
    From Nature,
    Climate change: The case of the missing heat : Nature News & Comment
    Stark contrast

    On a chart of global atmospheric temperatures, the hiatus stands in stark contrast to the rapid warming of the two decades that preceded it. Simulations conducted in advance of the 201314 assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) suggest that the warming should have continued at an average rate of 0.21 C per decade from 1998 to 2012. Instead, the observed warming during that period was just 0.04 C per decade, as measured by the UK Met Office in Exeter and the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, UK.
    That does not sound like a 1% accuracy to me.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Let the principles of the Free market make the determination of what's viable as far as technological innovation goes and what's snake oil sold under false pretenses.

    Germany is a excellent example of what happens when ideology is allowed to run amok.

    Without intelligent analysis, without open debate they committed to becoming the Worlds first Nation powered exclusively by " renewable energy sources.".

    They shut down their Nuke plants and spent hundreds of Billions of dollars building Solar power plants and building Wind turbines to power their grid.

    Renewable energy sources of-course have to be heavily subsidized and its the consumers who've had to bear those massive cost increases as they currently pay over 300 percent more than the average American for their electricity.

    Their own Finance minister came out last year and publicly declared their " Energy revolution " as a total failure.

    Since Solar and Wind are susceptible to inherent lags the German Government has had to build new Coal fired ( lignite ) power plants and now they rely more on Coal than their " clean energy " solutions for their electricity.

    What that means is the German citizens pay 300 percent more for their electricity and their air is dirtier than it was prior to Merkel shutting down their nuke plants.

    Global warming is proven with Computer models built with fudged data and processes that have nothing to do with " Science ".

    "Homogenizing " ( manipulating ) temperature data to arrive at a predetermined conclusion is not Science, its fraud.

    Science involves the objective and honest analysis of EMPERICAL data. What Federal agencies like the NOAA have done is to ignore those basic standards. They've replaced them with arbitrary standards and processes that always back their predetermined conclusions

    " Homogenized " temperature data always seems to prove that the Globe is warming.
    You don't need computer models to show the correlation between increased C02 and temperature change when taking into account all the other factors that effect temperature.

    If it was 80 degrees one day, 100 degrees the next and 80 you wouldn't conclude that the sun isn't warming (or cooling depending on the time of year), you'd look for other strong short term influences, perhaps it was cloudy, or there was a strong breeze off cool water....

    Don't look to me to defend Germany's energy policy or try to portray a false dichotomy between green energy=bad and fossil fuels are good. Suggesting that the "free market", a ridiculous euphemism of I've ever heard it, as the market isn't "free". There are plenty of constraints with deep pocketed interests that would like to see fossil fuels as the only viable alternative and, conversely, as you are surely quick to retort, lots of people who bleed green and would like to see all fossil fuels banned tomorrow regardless of the catastrophe that would ensue. It is possible for the "free market" to retard progress for years if not decades based solely on economic interests. I'll freely admit that interests on the other side can also retard progress just as much. When deciding how to proceed with energy alternatives there are a million was to succeed and a million ways to fail. Sounds like Germany has chosen a path to green energy along a path that has failed.

    The idea that there is a global conspiracy of climate scientists all fighting for a pool of liberal tree hugging dollars that runs roughshod over the hundreds if not thousands of multi-billion dollar corporations in an effort to smear them is a conspiracy only matched by the ridiculous idea that the moon landings were faked.
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    And that evidence is largely based on the nature of the atomic isotopes forming the bulk of the CO2 molecules trapped in the atmosphere--the heavier atoms in the molecules cannot be formed through natural phenomena.

    Cite the evidence showing that this evidence is false and/or that the CO2 isotopes did not originate from artificial sources.
    Really? Which isotopes would those be? Since we're talking about "atoms that cannot be formed through natural phenomena" how are these radioisotopes being formed, and why is there such a high concentration given what's got to be a half life measured in seconds or a fraction thereof?

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Al Gore popularized it and he was entirely wrong. In fact, the same year he claimed it would all be gone, the polar ice caps hit a 35-year maximum.
    If you are citing Al Gore as a recognized climate scientist as a way to discredit real published peer reviewed work, you sadly underestimate those that disagree with you.

    Al Gore, is a POLITICIAN who believes that the ends justify the means, that a lie or deception done for the right reason is ok. Hopefully there isn't anyone on this forum citing Al Gore's work as proof of anything.
    It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary (or faith) depends upon his not understanding it.

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