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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Before you start frothing and foaming, explain to us, in your own words, what the global warming issue is all about.
    I will give it a try!
    Starting in the late 80's Scientist like Dr James Hanson starting predicting that the accepted
    physics response to adding CO2 would be amplified through a collection of open loop feedbacks
    to create catastrophic warming. While the direct response to doubling the CO2 level is generally
    accepted, the amplified feedback is not, and have not been verified through the observed data.
    The predictions went along ok, until 1998 when the observed data and the models sharply deviated.
    Nature has a good article on the measurements.
    Climate change: The case of the missing heat : Nature News & Comment
    Stark contrast

    On a chart of global atmospheric temperatures, the hiatus stands in stark contrast to the rapid warming of the two decades that preceded it. Simulations conducted in advance of the 201314 assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) suggest that the warming should have continued at an average rate of 0.21 C per decade from 1998 to 2012. Instead, the observed warming during that period was just 0.04 C per decade, as measured by the UK Met Office in Exeter and the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, UK.
    The models predicted a continuation of the 0.21 C per decade, while the actual data only showed
    .04  C per decade.
    There has been much speculation of where the "missing" heat went, it is possible that the
    predicted amplification simply does not exist at the predicted levels.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    It's a good job then that AGW has nothing to do with liberalism and everything to do with science.

    As far as I'm concerned, scientists have a far better track record of not pulling stuff out of their asses than either liberal or conservative politicians.
    It does ?

    When the NOAA manipulated temperature data so they could claim that July 2012 was the hottest month on record that wasn't Science, it was fraud.

    Global warming existing only in Computer models built on " Homogenized data " isnt Science either.

    If the left sincerely cared about the Climate and the integrity of the Science thats used to try and understand it they would completely disconnect from the issue.

    They're inclusion and outspoken representation has done more harm to the credibility of Climate research than any amount of opposition from people who thinks AGW is a scam.

    Same with Alternative and renwable energy. Its been corrupted by a ideology that puts more value On Intent than they do results.

    As a technology it can never be objectively valued as a viable alternative to Fossil fuels because the people who push it shout down any criticism based on a Political position and not on the quality and or feasibility of the product.

    Because of that we wind up with debacles like Germanys Green revolution.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Really, explain to us exactly what Gore said about climate change that was fraudulent--explain it to us.
    all of it.. its complete nonsense....its wealth redistribution and giving control to the UN..

    only a fool believes this canard..

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Except the cause is rooted in scientific fact.

    Facts don't change, regardless of whether I'm conservative or liberal. What is political is the way that we approach and tackle these facts. That is where the dispute comes in. There is no one correct way to handle climate change. Scientists cannot predict the effect of human technology in the future, or of human response in the present.

    That AGW is happening is clear cut. The ways we should deal with it is not.

    Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence

    10 fact-checks about climate change | PolitiFact
    I LOL when you use "fact"

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It does ?

    When the NOAA manipulated temperature data so they could claim that July 2012 was the hottest month on record that wasn't Science, it was fraud.

    Global warming existing only in Computer models built on " Homogenized data " isnt Science either.

    If the left sincerely cared about the Climate and the integrity of the Science thats used to try and understand it they would completely disconnect from the issue.

    They're inclusion and outspoken representation has done more harm to the credibility of Climate research than any amount of opposition from people who thinks AGW is a scam.

    Same with Alternative and renwable energy. Its been corrupted by a ideology that puts more value On Intent than they do results.

    As a technology it can never be objectively valued as a viable alternative to Fossil fuels because the people who push it shout down any criticism based on a Political position and not on the quality and or feasibility of the product.

    Because of that we wind up with debacles like Germanys Green revolution.
    Temperature data is not the only indicator of climate change. Irregardless, most of the claims about temperature manipulation are baseless.

    As for renewable energy, that comes down to the solutions to climate change, which as I have said before, is not clear cut. I'm glad you brought it up though, because this is the discussion we should be having: 'What is the best way to deal with AGW?' instead of 'Is AGW real?'. Personally, I'm a large proponent of using nuclear energy as a replacement for renewables. Far more reliable with fewer intermittency issues.
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    That's what makes it a liberal issue, because conservatives do not know or care for science--that's been well-documented.
    so another lie you trying to run is "no scientists" are GOP?....LOL

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    We are--that's why we point out the ignorance of the conservative posters on science,
    It seems you really can't help yourself

    instead of stupidly trying to score smartie points, which is apparently what the OP did since he tried to talk about an issue he cannot even define in his own words.
    You aren't really interested in whether AGW is a reality or not its just an excuse to indulge another tedious US centric political points scoring exercise

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    I LOL when you use "fact"
    I LOL when the only argument you've put forward in this thread is 'NASA hates liberals'. As if it were somehow even relevant (or true)
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Temperature data is not the only indicator of climate change. Irregardless, most of the claims about temperature manipulation are baseless.

    As for renewable energy, that comes down to the solutions to climate change, which as I have said before, is not clear cut. I'm glad you brought it up though, because this is the discussion we should be having: 'What is the best way to deal with AGW?' instead of 'Is AGW real?'. Personally, I'm a large proponent of using nuclear energy as a replacement for renewables. Far more reliable with fewer intermittency issues.

    Your posts are liberal agenda on full display... is AGW real?...LOL... who cares... man can not control it.. you may want to consult with the dinosaurs and the sun

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Except the cause is rooted in scientific fact.

    Facts don't change, regardless of whether I'm conservative or liberal. What is political is the way that we approach and tackle these facts. That is where the dispute comes in. There is no one correct way to handle climate change. Scientists cannot predict the effect of human technology in the future, or of human response in the present.

    That AGW is happening is clear cut. The ways we should deal with it is not.

    Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence

    10 fact-checks about climate change | PolitiFact
    The problem is that the facts aren't being accurately reported and 100% of the predictions and forecasting have been wrong. What is clear is that the planet is always heating or cooling. The only people who are wrong about climate are the ones that believe it will be or should be unchanging. With respect to mankind impact, it's doubtful that ten or twenty parts per million of C02 added to the atmosphere has as much impact as water vapor in the first twenty feet, cloud cover, the sun's radiation, the orbit of the earth around the sun and one of dozens of variables impacting climate.


    Nasa by the way was just busted fudging it's numbers to fit the narrative. So did NOAA. Politifact is a liberal website run by the St. Pete Times, a left leaning paper.
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