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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Before you start frothing and foaming, explain to us, in your own words, what the global warming issue is all about.

    Reason is that konservatives have a long-standing tendency (both in this forum and in life) of talking out of their asses, i. e. trying to comment on topics/comprehend they don't even comprehend.
    And self-important, underachieving liberals have a long-standing tendency to pull crap out of their asses, wrap it in a predisposed "study", and use it to invent new ways to tax the people that are kicking their collective ass.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they can't even accurately measure it. only 3 of their 200 models actually correctly track observed temperatures. all the other models are so far off by their bias toward co2 that it makes it laughable that they can present this as any real science.

    I am just noting a fact that AGW is not climate change. it is a totally separate theory and it shows the dishonesty of these zealots that they try and hijack another term to push their agenda.
    Fifty years ago we used to measure the temperature of the ocean with a boat, a bucket, a rope and a thermometer. Now we do it from space. We have tools to measure temperature and photograph ice coverage, some would argue that we don't have the integrity to honestly report findings, knowledge to accurately predict trends and broadcast data which doesn't fit the religious and political models of AGW.
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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Yes it has.
    You read your link and a bunch of holes should have jumped off the screen ...


    What's "significant?"





    TRANSLATION: A third who were asked to participate actually participated, of them hardly any were climate scientists, and those that did participate have a vested career interest in promoting AGW.

    swing and a miss.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The Earth has had periods where the CO2 levels have been at least 8 times todays levels. Those periods coincided with the greatest flourishing of all life on the planet. The optimum level for plant growth is currently three times that of today at around 1200 PPM
    and what have levels been that sustained the climate whereby it was possible to build the major "western" population centers of the world?



    Academic as we do not currently know the climate sensitivity of CO2 ergo any values put into climate models are pure guesswork. Given how wildly out of kilter those models are with observed reality those guesses have obviously been far too high
    so do you think CO2 has IR active modes, or not? yes? or no?.

    Of course it is
    perhaps in your alternative universe where CO2 has IR inactive modes and works to decrease the net energy budget of the atmosphere




    ps, why do you ignore the part about the oceans? don't have any copypasta denier website "bunkum" on the topic?

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Here's more brilliance from the global warming preachers.

    http://www.weather.com/news/news/tex...o-severe-storm

    Uh, no, folks at weather.com, this is not the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex. This is in rural Texas.

    Climate/weather experts should be able to read a map.

    Rio Vista is part of the DFW MSA.

    Forum posters should be able to read wiki before self-owning.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Before you start frothing and foaming, explain to us, in your own words, what the global warming issue is all about.

    Reason is that konservatives have a long-standing tendency (both in this forum and in life) of talking out of their asses, i. e. trying to comment on topics/comprehend they don't even comprehend.
    Actually its the other way around.

    Liberals from my experience are perennially ignorant Scientifically. Why ?

    I have a theory. To believe in the Pseudo Science called Anthropogenic Global warming you have to be willing to ignore glaring attempts by the Pro-AGW lobby to misrepresent and manipulate data.

    You have to condone the fraudulent manipulation of data AND the reclassification of the processes that have been used for millennia to seperate Science and Fraud.

    So the Pro-AGW people go into this issue already with maybe a rudimentary understanding of the Scientific method and since their motivation on this issue is based on a ideological position and not Science they never grow out of just parroting propaganda.

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    and what have levels been that sustained the climate whereby it was possible to build the major "western" population centers of the world?
    Obviously had CO2 levels been much higher the major population centers you speak of would have been far better able to feed themselves than they are today through increased crop yields. This short film gives a graphic demonstration of the great benefits of extra CO2 on plant life.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qVNK6zFgE

    so do you think CO2 has IR active modes, or not? yes? or no?.
    Yes but its climate sensitivity is of such a low order that its impact is inconsequential. As another poster has already noted it is water vapour that is by far the most important factor. Here are the numbers

    Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers

    perhaps in your alternative universe where CO2 has IR inactive modes and works to decrease the net energy budget of the atmosphere
    This universe works just fine for me thanks. Do you understand what I mean by the term climate sensitivity ? It means how much extra CO2 equates to how much temperature rise. This is a figure that is critical but yet is quite unknown. We have yet to discern much less quantify the human fingerprint on climate from normal natural background variability

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Obviously had CO2 levels been much higher the major population centers you speak of would have been far better able to feed themselves than they are today through increased crop yields. This short film gives a graphic demonstration of the great benefits of extra CO2 on plant life.
    1) try reading. those western population centers are where crops have high yield

    2) LMAO @ not understanding hypercapnia and then posting on and on.......

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Before you start frothing and foaming, explain to us, in your own words, what the global warming issue is all about.

    Reason is that konservatives have a long-standing tendency (both in this forum and in life) of talking out of their asses, i. e. trying to comment on topics/comprehend they don't even comprehend.
    Al Gore is GOP...who knew?...

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    Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    1) try reading. those western population centers are where crops have high yield

    2) LMAO @ not understanding hypercapnia and then posting on and on.......
    If you are only here to ignore or dismiss what you don't want to see and wave a flag at me you can stop wasting my time

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