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Petraeus sentenced: 2 years probation; $100K fine

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You know, prior to this, he was one of the most admired men in this country, not only because of his outstanding military career, but because of who he was and what he stood for, and I don't think public opinion has changed in that regard. I'd still trust him totally to do the right thing for our country over a lot of others that I can think of, and there are many who feel the same, judging from the comments I heard when the story broke yesterday. "Damn shame to have his life ruined" was the consensus, from men and women alike.....

It is a dam shame that this misstep cost General Petraeus so much. While with many thinking it'll be recognized as a once in the life time misstep rather than what many are claiming as treasonous, the missing piece is the intent, the malice, of which I've seen none. However not everyone is of that opinion.

Another fine example of professor lead leftist indoctrination of students in the publicly funded university education system.



Retired Gen. David Petraeus is being harassed by leftists, who chased him down a N.Y. street shouting “scumbag,” ”war criminal” and worse. Mediaite has video of the incident here. The anger and language of the demonstrators are so shocking, NPR issued a warning to viewers.

Petraeus, who resigned as CIA director in a sex scandal, is now teaching at CUNY, where S. Sandor John, Hunter College Adjunct Professor of Latin American History, has been organizing protests against him.

» Gen. Petraeus chased by mob of leftist students - This Just In

Not covered in the national news media that I'm aware of, but other outlets are:

It's been reported that the situation has gotten so bad that New York City police need to not only escort general Petraeus to and from his lectures, but also have to barricade his classroom to prevent disruption and also to ensure his student safe passed to and from the lectures.


Fine examples of leftist ideology ruling over any and all reason if you ask me. Just to put the excoriation of Petraeus in perspective of where it's coming from and who's making those and similar claims against the man.
 
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Snowden was a contractor and not an actual government agent. Therefore some of the whistleblower protections would not apply to him.

So we have established he is not a whistleblower.

And people donating money to him is not the same as him selling information. What Snowden did was give the information to various British journalists.

Has he or has he not profited from his crimes?
 
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It is a dam shame that this misstep cost General Petraeus so much. While with many thinking it'll be recognized as a once in the life time misstep rather than what many are claiming as treasonous, the missing piece is the intent, the malice, of which I've seen none. However not everyone is of that opinion.



Fine examples of leftist ideology ruling over any and all reason if you ask me. Just to put the excoriation of Petraeus in perspective of where it's coming from and who's making those and similar claims against the man.


I could cite examples, but it's not necessary - everyone already knows, so why bother? I trust Karma to handle it, since then it will be fairly done.
 
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Maybe the Republican controlled House and Senate shoudl have an investigation into Hillary Clinton's time while she was Secretary Of State?

Why did you ignore the part where I said Snowden should be tried and convicted of the same charges as Patreaus and given the same sentence? Are you so blindingly partisan that even when someone is calling for equal treatment you still whine about bias?

Patreaus didn't release a million pages of diplomatic, military and foreign policy secrets to the media and Internet.

Prove me wrong. Tell us WHAT secrets - any actual secret - the general made public.
 
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It is a dam shame that this misstep cost General Petraeus so much. While with many thinking it'll be recognized as a once in the life time misstep rather than what many are claiming as treasonous, the missing piece is the intent, the malice, of which I've seen none. However not everyone is of that opinion.



Fine examples of leftist ideology ruling over any and all reason if you ask me. Just to put the excoriation of Petraeus in perspective of where it's coming from and who's making those and similar claims against the man.



This seems to be common in the left. Once they seize on a demon, they refuse to let go. To this day, mention Pierre Trudeau to an NDP'er and you will get a vindictive rant and the man has been dead over 15 years. Sarah Palin is another example, six years since she was in public life and I can still get a rise out of the common leftie.

It is when that 'demon' has been cleared of wrongdoing, when the rap against him turns out to be completely false and they persist, is when it passes from mean politics to evil. There is a lot of hate in the left, they like to throw things and get dramatic in their tactics.
 
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Wasn't Snowden's life destroyed when he released classified information? Yes General Betray-us isn't being held to the same standard at all.

I would like this general to have his life ruined and him having to flee the country as well or I would like to see Snowden charged and convincted in absentia with similar punishments.

I would also like to see John McCain charged and convicted because he went to Syria and met with members of Al-Qaeda and ISIS and gave them classified information.

Snowden released info publically.

Petraues released info to a woman who was a commissioned military officer who did not divulge it further. Big difference
 
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You know, prior to this, he was one of the most admired men in this country, not only because of his outstanding military career, but because of who he was and what he stood for, and I don't think public opinion has changed in that regard. I'd still trust him totally to do the right thing for our country over a lot of others that I can think of, and there are many who feel the same, judging from the comments I heard when the story broke yesterday. "Damn shame to have his life ruined" was the consensus, from men and women alike.....

He should have never been admired. He built his image through PR only. Petraeus is a bull**** artist. Americans got conned.
 
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Snowden released info publically.

Petraues released info to a woman who was a commissioned military officer who did not divulge it further. Big difference

She wrote a ****ing book on it the information given. Are you that daft? Also Petraues should be stripped of his retirement (all $220,000 a year) and benefits as he was an Officer who violated Article 133 and Article 134 and admitted to it..

Our (Americans) worship of him has saved his ass and that's sickening. He violated the UMCJ.
 
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She wrote a ****ing book on it the information given. Are you that daft? Also Petraues should be stripped of his retirement (all $220,000 a year) and benefits as he was an Officer who violated Article 133 and Article 134 and admitted to it..

Our (Americans) worship of him has saved his ass and that's sickening. He violated the UMCJ.

Which classified info made it to the book ?
 
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Which classified info made it to the book ?

Who knows.. we (you and i) don't know either as Government doesn't really tell you and i what was classified. But she was given access to this information and wrote the book. It was a such a big deal US Government actually filed Felony charges against him. He got to plea down. ;)
 
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So we have established he is not a whistleblower.



Has he or has he not profited from his crimes?
So you think only federal agents can be whistleblowers even if contractors are doing the same work?

Define "profit". If a person loses their house and panhandles in between looking for work are they "profiting" from the loss of their house?
 
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You know, prior to this, he was one of the most admired men in this country, not only because of his outstanding military career, but because of who he was and what he stood for, and I don't think public opinion has changed in that regard. I'd still trust him totally to do the right thing for our country over a lot of others that I can think of, and there are many who feel the same, judging from the comments I heard when the story broke yesterday. "Damn shame to have his life ruined" was the consensus, from men and women alike.....

Though, I tend to feel very much the same, I believe in equal and general application of the law. Therefore, I mistrust exemptions. In fact, the only exemption I would allow is in my own case.
 
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Don't hyperventilate. It was a misdemeanor and no information was disclosed to the public.

The sentence of probation is normal this type of offense.

Really?

Why was Jeffrey Sterling sentenced to 30 years for that offense?

Why did John Kiriakou serve some years in prison for that offense?

Answer: RHIP

It is incidents like this that demonstrate how utterly corrupt the federal government is.
 
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It is a dam shame that this misstep cost General Petraeus so much. While with many thinking it'll be recognized as a once in the life time misstep rather than what many are claiming as treasonous, the missing piece is the intent, the malice, of which I've seen none. However not everyone is of that opinion.

Fine examples of leftist ideology ruling over any and all reason if you ask me. Just to put the excoriation of Petraeus in perspective of where it's coming from and who's making those and similar claims against the man.

From Politico in January:

Petraeus has denied passing the documents to Broadwell, and she backs that assertion. Whether Petraeus is guilty or innocent, this leak is as unfair to him as it is predictable. Prosecutors have long leaked like this whenever they can’t make a case against a suspect and hope that a newspaper story will panic him into a plea bargain. The identity of the leakers—and their motivations for leaking—are almost as good a news story as the decision to prosecute. It seems unlikely that Attorney General Eric Holder, who will be leaving the office as soon as his replacement, Loretta Lynch, is confirmed, was behind the leak. Better to speculate that the prosecutors who have been working on the Petraeus case for two years, but don’t really have a case, took the initiative, hoping to score a last scalp as the Holder era fades and their team disbands. Or the leakers could be sending a message to Lynch, saying, “Hey, we’ve got a hot case for you over here.”

...Powerful figures in government shouldn’t be allowed to leak anything they want to leak, nor should Petraeus escape reprimand if he broke his oath to keep secrets secret. You can’t very well let him off the hook and still expect lower-ranking government employees to keep classified information safe. That’s not the message anybody wants to send. But it’s worth asking how secret were the documents in the Petraeus case and what, if any, damage to national security did their leak cause? Did we experience a genuine security lapse in the Petraeus case, or are we merely relearning the lesson that Moynihan taught, that the bureaucracy, determined to cover its ass in advance, classifies way too much material? We don’t really have answers to those questions yet, but we do have glimmers. In November 2012, the Washington Post reported (anonymously sourced again) that Petraeus had assigned aides and military officials to give Broadwell documents, but that the documents had “been described as sensitive but relatively benign. Officials who have been briefed on them said they were mostly schedules and PowerPoint presentations classified as ‘secret.’” Another hint of the innocuous nature of the leaks appeared in a recent Bloomberg View piece. Petraeus has maintained his security clearance ever since the investigation began, it reported, and he has been “casually advising the White House on Iraq.”

In Defense of David Petraeus - Jack Shafer - POLITICO Magazine
 
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From Politico in January:

Petraeus has denied passing the documents to Broadwell, and she backs that assertion. Whether Petraeus is guilty or innocent, this leak is as unfair to him as it is predictable. Prosecutors have long leaked like this whenever they can’t make a case against a suspect and hope that a newspaper story will panic him into a plea bargain. The identity of the leakers—and their motivations for leaking—are almost as good a news story as the decision to prosecute. It seems unlikely that Attorney General Eric Holder, who will be leaving the office as soon as his replacement, Loretta Lynch, is confirmed, was behind the leak. Better to speculate that the prosecutors who have been working on the Petraeus case for two years, but don’t really have a case, took the initiative, hoping to score a last scalp as the Holder era fades and their team disbands. Or the leakers could be sending a message to Lynch, saying, “Hey, we’ve got a hot case for you over here.”

...Powerful figures in government shouldn’t be allowed to leak anything they want to leak, nor should Petraeus escape reprimand if he broke his oath to keep secrets secret. You can’t very well let him off the hook and still expect lower-ranking government employees to keep classified information safe. That’s not the message anybody wants to send. But it’s worth asking how secret were the documents in the Petraeus case and what, if any, damage to national security did their leak cause? Did we experience a genuine security lapse in the Petraeus case, or are we merely relearning the lesson that Moynihan taught, that the bureaucracy, determined to cover its ass in advance, classifies way too much material? We don’t really have answers to those questions yet, but we do have glimmers. In November 2012, the Washington Post reported (anonymously sourced again) that Petraeus had assigned aides and military officials to give Broadwell documents, but that the documents had “been described as sensitive but relatively benign. Officials who have been briefed on them said they were mostly schedules and PowerPoint presentations classified as ‘secret.’” Another hint of the innocuous nature of the leaks appeared in a recent Bloomberg View piece. Petraeus has maintained his security clearance ever since the investigation began, it reported, and he has been “casually advising the White House on Iraq.”

In Defense of David Petraeus - Jack Shafer - POLITICO Magazine

So in the end, little smoke and no fire? So why go through the effort of investigating the general for 2 years?
Maybe because he might have publicly stated that Obama botched Iraq?
 
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No. Surely, the Admin wouldn't be that petty. ;)
 
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Well, his life was "destroyed" because in part he ran instead of facing the music. Furthermore, he sold information to other nations, some Petraeus did not do. The differences are quite stark. But mostly, you cannot complain that some one struck a deal and the other didn't, when the other has made no effort to strike such a deal and instead ran to another country.
You think Snowden did what he did for financial gain? Don't be ridiculous. The difference between Snowden and Petraeus is that the former brought to light the lying, deceit and illegal activities of the NSA, activities that were unconstitutional. He demonstrated how the Director National Intelligence had lied under oath to Congress, that the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee covered up the NSA's illegal data gathering operations. He did a huge service to the American people, yet somehow it's him that's the traitor, and not those committing criminal acts, lying and undermining the democratic processes of the nation.

The latter had a bit of tail and couldn't control his pillow talk. Neither really strikes me as a traitor, but Snowden should be hailed a hero.
 
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She wrote a ****ing book on it the information given. Are you that daft? Also Petraues should be stripped of his retirement (all $220,000 a year) and benefits as he was an Officer who violated Article 133 and Article 134 and admitted to it..

Our (Americans) worship of him has saved his ass and that's sickening. He violated the UMCJ.

At the time of the crime, Petraeus was already retired and no longer in the military
 
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He should have never been admired. He built his image through PR only. Petraeus is a bull**** artist. Americans got conned.

Most do not agree with you, as they feel he may have been betrayed by someone he trusted, but you are entitled to your opinion. PR only goes so far - in the military you've got to prove yourself, since that life is not a game to be played, as the rows of crosses in cemeteries around the world have shown us - and politics unfortunately does not require the same dedication to honor, as we have also seen, IMO.
 
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You think Snowden did what he did for financial gain? Don't be ridiculous. The difference between Snowden and Petraeus is that the former brought to light the lying, deceit and illegal activities of the NSA, activities that were unconstitutional. He demonstrated how the Director National Intelligence had lied under oath to Congress, that the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee covered up the NSA's illegal data gathering operations. He did a huge service to the American people, yet somehow it's him that's the traitor, and not those committing criminal acts, lying and undermining the democratic processes of the nation.

The latter had a bit of tail and couldn't control his pillow talk. Neither really strikes me as a traitor, but Snowden should be hailed a hero.

I did not say Snowden did it for financial gain, only that he was paid. Nor did I call him a traitor. Why the insistence on putting words in my mouth?
 
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At the time of the crime, Petraeus was already retired and no longer in the military
General officers don't leave the military but retire and go inactive. He is still bound to his oath and has all the same benefits of active duty that he had before he retired.

That said, one of the benefits of high rank is sex with underlings and making decisions about who can look at classified material. The classified material in question was not all that dangerous to our national security but 0bama hated the powerful white guy with a lot of public support so he knocked him down.
 
Another criminal gets a wrist slap so obama isn't embarrassed even further. Same thing will be done with berghdal.

Scooter Libby was wrist slapped too! I suppose it didn't bother you that time though.
 
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You don't understand how the law works. This could have easily been handled as a felony but the prosecutor said no. Why?

You know why.
 
Scooter Libby was wrist slapped too! I suppose it didn't bother you that time though.

Hmm... does it bother you the current WH leaked information to the press about the for a favorable film and was never held accountable, and also leaked info about the Bin Laden raid, yet hypocritically doesn't bother to bring the heavy hand of justice against anyone for those things? I find it amusing a partisan would complain about Libby given there were leaks by the WH itself. I guess it's only against the law some of the time but not when Obama's WH does it. :wink:
 
Hmm... does it bother you the current WH leaked information to the press about the for a favorable film and was never held accountable, and also leaked info about the Bin Laden raid, yet hypocritically doesn't bother to bring the heavy hand of justice against anyone for those things? I find it amusing a partisan would complain about Libby given there were leaks by the WH itself. I guess it's only against the law some of the time but not when Obama's WH does it. :wink:

Why would you say that to me? It bothers me very much that this WH has leaked things. It also bothers me that Obama is killing US citizens with his extra judicial drone program, and that he smuggled weapons pilfered from Gaddafi's army out of the Benghazi annex to militants in Syria, and that he interfered with internal issues in Kiev, and that he hasn't closed Gitmo, and that his NSA is Bush's on steroids, etc., etc.. I've pointed out problems with Obama consistently, why call me a partisan. Partisans don't point out wrong doing in both parties, people who do that are rare.
 
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