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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So we have established he is not a whistleblower.



    Has he or has he not profited from his crimes?
    So you think only federal agents can be whistleblowers even if contractors are doing the same work?

    Define "profit". If a person loses their house and panhandles in between looking for work are they "profiting" from the loss of their house?
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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    You know, prior to this, he was one of the most admired men in this country, not only because of his outstanding military career, but because of who he was and what he stood for, and I don't think public opinion has changed in that regard. I'd still trust him totally to do the right thing for our country over a lot of others that I can think of, and there are many who feel the same, judging from the comments I heard when the story broke yesterday. "Damn shame to have his life ruined" was the consensus, from men and women alike.....
    Though, I tend to feel very much the same, I believe in equal and general application of the law. Therefore, I mistrust exemptions. In fact, the only exemption I would allow is in my own case.

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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Don't hyperventilate. It was a misdemeanor and no information was disclosed to the public.

    The sentence of probation is normal this type of offense.
    Really?

    Why was Jeffrey Sterling sentenced to 30 years for that offense?

    Why did John Kiriakou serve some years in prison for that offense?

    Answer: RHIP

    It is incidents like this that demonstrate how utterly corrupt the federal government is.

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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It is a dam shame that this misstep cost General Petraeus so much. While with many thinking it'll be recognized as a once in the life time misstep rather than what many are claiming as treasonous, the missing piece is the intent, the malice, of which I've seen none. However not everyone is of that opinion.

    Fine examples of leftist ideology ruling over any and all reason if you ask me. Just to put the excoriation of Petraeus in perspective of where it's coming from and who's making those and similar claims against the man.
    From Politico in January:

    Petraeus has denied passing the documents to Broadwell, and she backs that assertion. Whether Petraeus is guilty or innocent, this leak is as unfair to him as it is predictable. Prosecutors have long leaked like this whenever they can’t make a case against a suspect and hope that a newspaper story will panic him into a plea bargain. The identity of the leakers—and their motivations for leaking—are almost as good a news story as the decision to prosecute. It seems unlikely that Attorney General Eric Holder, who will be leaving the office as soon as his replacement, Loretta Lynch, is confirmed, was behind the leak. Better to speculate that the prosecutors who have been working on the Petraeus case for two years, but don’t really have a case, took the initiative, hoping to score a last scalp as the Holder era fades and their team disbands. Or the leakers could be sending a message to Lynch, saying, “Hey, we’ve got a hot case for you over here.”

    ...Powerful figures in government shouldn’t be allowed to leak anything they want to leak, nor should Petraeus escape reprimand if he broke his oath to keep secrets secret. You can’t very well let him off the hook and still expect lower-ranking government employees to keep classified information safe. That’s not the message anybody wants to send. But it’s worth asking how secret were the documents in the Petraeus case and what, if any, damage to national security did their leak cause? Did we experience a genuine security lapse in the Petraeus case, or are we merely relearning the lesson that Moynihan taught, that the bureaucracy, determined to cover its ass in advance, classifies way too much material? We don’t really have answers to those questions yet, but we do have glimmers. In November 2012, the Washington Post reported (anonymously sourced again) that Petraeus had assigned aides and military officials to give Broadwell documents, but that the documents had “been described as sensitive but relatively benign. Officials who have been briefed on them said they were mostly schedules and PowerPoint presentations classified as ‘secret.’” Another hint of the innocuous nature of the leaks appeared in a recent Bloomberg View piece. Petraeus has maintained his security clearance ever since the investigation began, it reported, and he has been “casually advising the White House on Iraq.”

    In Defense of David Petraeus - Jack Shafer - POLITICO Magazine

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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    From Politico in January:

    Petraeus has denied passing the documents to Broadwell, and she backs that assertion. Whether Petraeus is guilty or innocent, this leak is as unfair to him as it is predictable. Prosecutors have long leaked like this whenever they can’t make a case against a suspect and hope that a newspaper story will panic him into a plea bargain. The identity of the leakers—and their motivations for leaking—are almost as good a news story as the decision to prosecute. It seems unlikely that Attorney General Eric Holder, who will be leaving the office as soon as his replacement, Loretta Lynch, is confirmed, was behind the leak. Better to speculate that the prosecutors who have been working on the Petraeus case for two years, but don’t really have a case, took the initiative, hoping to score a last scalp as the Holder era fades and their team disbands. Or the leakers could be sending a message to Lynch, saying, “Hey, we’ve got a hot case for you over here.”

    ...Powerful figures in government shouldn’t be allowed to leak anything they want to leak, nor should Petraeus escape reprimand if he broke his oath to keep secrets secret. You can’t very well let him off the hook and still expect lower-ranking government employees to keep classified information safe. That’s not the message anybody wants to send. But it’s worth asking how secret were the documents in the Petraeus case and what, if any, damage to national security did their leak cause? Did we experience a genuine security lapse in the Petraeus case, or are we merely relearning the lesson that Moynihan taught, that the bureaucracy, determined to cover its ass in advance, classifies way too much material? We don’t really have answers to those questions yet, but we do have glimmers. In November 2012, the Washington Post reported (anonymously sourced again) that Petraeus had assigned aides and military officials to give Broadwell documents, but that the documents had “been described as sensitive but relatively benign. Officials who have been briefed on them said they were mostly schedules and PowerPoint presentations classified as ‘secret.’” Another hint of the innocuous nature of the leaks appeared in a recent Bloomberg View piece. Petraeus has maintained his security clearance ever since the investigation began, it reported, and he has been “casually advising the White House on Iraq.”

    In Defense of David Petraeus - Jack Shafer - POLITICO Magazine
    So in the end, little smoke and no fire? So why go through the effort of investigating the general for 2 years?
    Maybe because he might have publicly stated that Obama botched Iraq?
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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    No. Surely, the Admin wouldn't be that petty.

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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, his life was "destroyed" because in part he ran instead of facing the music. Furthermore, he sold information to other nations, some Petraeus did not do. The differences are quite stark. But mostly, you cannot complain that some one struck a deal and the other didn't, when the other has made no effort to strike such a deal and instead ran to another country.
    You think Snowden did what he did for financial gain? Don't be ridiculous. The difference between Snowden and Petraeus is that the former brought to light the lying, deceit and illegal activities of the NSA, activities that were unconstitutional. He demonstrated how the Director National Intelligence had lied under oath to Congress, that the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee covered up the NSA's illegal data gathering operations. He did a huge service to the American people, yet somehow it's him that's the traitor, and not those committing criminal acts, lying and undermining the democratic processes of the nation.

    The latter had a bit of tail and couldn't control his pillow talk. Neither really strikes me as a traitor, but Snowden should be hailed a hero.
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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    She wrote a ****ing book on it the information given. Are you that daft? Also Petraues should be stripped of his retirement (all $220,000 a year) and benefits as he was an Officer who violated Article 133 and Article 134 and admitted to it..

    Our (Americans) worship of him has saved his ass and that's sickening. He violated the UMCJ.
    At the time of the crime, Petraeus was already retired and no longer in the military

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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    He should have never been admired. He built his image through PR only. Petraeus is a bull**** artist. Americans got conned.
    Most do not agree with you, as they feel he may have been betrayed by someone he trusted, but you are entitled to your opinion. PR only goes so far - in the military you've got to prove yourself, since that life is not a game to be played, as the rows of crosses in cemeteries around the world have shown us - and politics unfortunately does not require the same dedication to honor, as we have also seen, IMO.

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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You think Snowden did what he did for financial gain? Don't be ridiculous. The difference between Snowden and Petraeus is that the former brought to light the lying, deceit and illegal activities of the NSA, activities that were unconstitutional. He demonstrated how the Director National Intelligence had lied under oath to Congress, that the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee covered up the NSA's illegal data gathering operations. He did a huge service to the American people, yet somehow it's him that's the traitor, and not those committing criminal acts, lying and undermining the democratic processes of the nation.

    The latter had a bit of tail and couldn't control his pillow talk. Neither really strikes me as a traitor, but Snowden should be hailed a hero.
    I did not say Snowden did it for financial gain, only that he was paid. Nor did I call him a traitor. Why the insistence on putting words in my mouth?
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