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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Wasn't Snowden's life destroyed when he released classified information? Yes General Betray-us isn't being held to the same standard at all.

    I would like this general to have his life ruined and him having to flee the country as well or I would like to see Snowden charged and convincted in absentia with similar punishments.

    I would also like to see John McCain charged and convicted because he went to Syria and met with members of Al-Qaeda and ISIS and gave them classified information.
    I remember a certain soldier who is currently in prison for doing the same thing. Manning, Trannying, something like that.
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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yep, since it is a misdemeanor, it is no big deal.
    I know it disappoints you, but every crime doesn't warrant the death penalty.

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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Snowden's charges preclude him from defending himself in public court. Snowden felt that he was a whistleblower who would get charged because he came forward. Given the government's treatment of whistleblowers he's not entirely incorrect.

    Snowden sold information? That's news to me. I might have missed that part. Can you provide a link?
    Other than the massive leak of confidential information that Snowden committed, as a whistleblower, there was a proper 'chain of command' or escalation that he should have followed, but didn't, instead opted for his 15 minutes of glory and selling out to this highest bidder. Something far more frowned upon than being a whistleblower, so he really did compound his error in judgement, from my view.
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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    There's a significant difference between what Snowden did, and what General Petraeus did.

    Snowden illegally gathered up and smuggled out a huge amount of classified materials, and pretty much put them up for the highest bidder. Russia, wanting nothing more than to stick a thumb into Obama's and Hillary's eye with their foolish 'reset' idea was more than glad to pony up their side of the bargain, after which some (all?) was released to the public, significantly weakening the US' position internationally.

    General Petraeus ill-advisedly shared some classified documents with his lover / biographer, which I don't think ever made it to the public (yes? no?).

    So the amount of classified materials, the scope of who got to see them, as well as the impact on the US are all very much significantly different, which equates to different laws being applicable to their different situations. Yes?
    Erik, how did anyone know that he told his biographer/mistress anything? I'm certain he didn't march into some military base and volunteer the information. Did she tell people? I haven't kept up with this, but there's things here that don't make sense. She must be married to a very understanding man!

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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So Snowden claims he cannot get a fair trial, so he must be right? Despite all evidence to the contrary?

    Snowden is not a whistleblower. We have specific procedures to follow to be declared a whistleblower. Criminal would probably be the best adjective to describe him.

    Did you not know he gets money from people for having disclosed the information he did? How do you think he is able to afford the security guards and so on. A simple google search will show you any number of places you can give money to him from.
    Dam! Beat me to it.
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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Erik, how did anyone know that he told his biographer/mistress anything? I'm certain he didn't march into some military base and volunteer the information. Did she tell people? I haven't kept up with this, but there's things here that don't make sense. She must be married to a very understanding man!
    I think that this came out in the ensuing investigation as to where the information came from, who had access to it, and where and to whom it was leaked to.

    What would have been worse, is if the mistress sold the information, and that may have indeed happened to kick off the entire counter espionage investigation.
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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So Snowden claims he cannot get a fair trial, so he must be right? Despite all evidence to the contrary?

    Snowden is not a whistleblower. We have specific procedures to follow to be declared a whistleblower. Criminal would probably be the best adjective to describe him.

    Did you not know he gets money from people for having disclosed the information he did? How do you think he is able to afford the security guards and so on. A simple google search will show you any number of places you can give money to him from.
    Snowden was a contractor and not an actual government agent. Therefore some of the whistleblower protections would not apply to him.

    And people donating money to him is not the same as him selling information. What Snowden did was give the information to various British journalists.

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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Pity really, because he was not a bad soldier. But they might have hit him harder, really. On the other hand, was what he did worse than $100K, probation and the embarrassment?

    Umm, yes. If Bradley Manning gets 35 years for leaking classified material. Stephen Jin-Woo Kim got a felony conviction for his leaking to Fox News. Jeffrey Sterling will get around 20-40 years for leaking to NYT the plan to hack Iran's nuclear program. John C. Kiriakou got 30 months for leaking a name of an operative.

    Now this is what Petraeus leaked.. notebooks that contained his daily schedule and classified and unclassified notes he took during official meetings, conferences and briefings during his time in Afghanistan. When asked about it.. he lied about it.

    Only reason Petraeus was able to plea down unlike those I mention above is.. Petraeus has political allies.
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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I think that this came out in the ensuing investigation as to where the information came from, who had access to it, and where and to whom it was leaked to.

    What would have been worse, is if the mistress sold the information, and that may have indeed happened to kick off the entire counter espionage investigation.
    You know, prior to this, he was one of the most admired men in this country, not only because of his outstanding military career, but because of who he was and what he stood for, and I don't think public opinion has changed in that regard. I'd still trust him totally to do the right thing for our country over a lot of others that I can think of, and there are many who feel the same, judging from the comments I heard when the story broke yesterday. "Damn shame to have his life ruined" was the consensus, from men and women alike.....

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    Re: Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yep, since it is a misdemeanor, it is no big deal.
    Providing classified information to an unauthorized person as he did is a felony. But the prosecutors let him cop a plea for a lesser charge, a misdemeanor

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