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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Government has no business spending money on research either.
    The economic literature and empirical data on the value of basic research suggests otherwise. Basic research has value and, without a public role, would likely be underfunded. Two papers (one older and one more recent):

    Federal Reserve Bank San Francisco | Reasons for Public Support of Research and Development
    http://siteresources.worldbank.org/I...ukAkcigity.pdf

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's not an opinion piece. It's an academic one. Also, these policies are relatively new since more and more politicians from both parties are opting into representing them rather than preserving the existing system.
    If you prefer to call it an academic opinion piece that's fine with me. It's still irrelevant.

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

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    http://openaccesslibrary.org/images/...B._Kandiko.pdf
    The neoliberal economic agenda is leading to decreasing funding for public services around the world; in education, this agenda attempts “to weaken public control over education while simultaneously encouraging privatization of the educational service and greater reliance on market forces” (Berman, 2003, p. 253). Globally, decreased public funding of higher education is affecting institutions and systems (Prichard & Wilmott, 1997). Neoliberalism assumes that the market is more efficient than the state, so goods and services once considered public should become privatized, which also frees up capital for the market. “It seems that the policy of privatizing public science and its institutions has proceeded ideologically rather than by rational calculation. Such policies are assumed to fuel innovation and maximize wealth creation, but that is a highly contested assumption” (Atkinson-Grodjean, 2002, p. 72, emphasis in original). Higher education institutions must adjust, and are looking across borders for examples of adaptive and entrepreneurial organizations (Clark, 1998; Sporn, 1999).
    That sounds like conservatism lol, not "neoliberalism." I've honestly never heard that term

    Democrats in office are rarely liberals. They're only trying to get re-elected and are discovering that since most voters never got a college education, they don't prioritize funding colleges. Don't conflate the two

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    These governors aren't cutting funds for higher education because of the quality. They cut because they don't want public institutions to exist. It's short sighted and will come back to haunt us.
    That's likely true of republicans but the dems, no, it's that given the choice between raising taxes and cutting funds for our crumbling roads or other programs, preserving college funding brings in the fewest votes.

    Although in many states, *everything* is getting cut and it's just that colleges are getting cut *more* than the roads, bridges etc.

    It's short sighted in some cases, where even world class universities have faced massive cuts and have been rejecting in state apps more and more and may even privatize, but in other cases, the quality of education and research opportunities at these commuters and state universities is rather dubious. Does louisiana really need 12 public colleges?

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Fine with me - I am TOTALLY against government funding of post secondary education except for essential degrees (doctors, engineers, etc. - NOT lawyers).
    The idea that governments in ANY WAY fund such ridiculous subjects as Elizabethan Poetry majors or other nonsensical programs is ridiculous.
    You want a degree in art - fund it yourself.
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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you prefer to call it an academic opinion piece that's fine with me. It's still irrelevant.
    First, it is truth not opinion. Secondly, and most importantly, why do you think it's irrelevant?

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Fine with me - I am TOTALLY against government funding of post secondary education except for essential degrees (doctors, engineers, etc. - NOT lawyers).
    The idea that governments in ANY WAY fund such ridiculous subjects as Elizabethan Poetry majors or other nonsensical programs is ridiculous.
    You want a degree in art - fund it yourself.
    Thank goodness you don't get to define "essential." Whew.

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

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    That sounds like conservatism lol, not "neoliberalism." I've honestly never heard that term

    Democrats in office are rarely liberals. They're only trying to get re-elected and are discovering that since most voters never got a college education, they don't prioritize funding colleges. Don't conflate the two
    Neoliberalism is simply a term (mostly used in academia) to describe market based policies. Both political parties have adopted and advocate many of these policies. Many of them have been determential to people around the world. These polices were once considered far right decades ago, now have moved center on the spectrum and are considered the norm by the many. Both parties are guilty believing education should be privatized and starving public funds is the fastest way to achieve it.

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Neoliberalism is simply a term (mostly used in academia) to describe market based policies. Both political parties have adopted and advocate many of these policies. Many of them have been determential to people around the world. These polices were once considered far right decades ago, now have moved center on the spectrum and are considered the norm by the many. Both parties are guilty believing education should be privatized and starving public funds is the fastest way to achieve it.
    Imagine they tried to privatize these 12 louisiana colleges, or every K-12. What this by necessity means is only a fraction of today's youth will have access to education. I dunno about you, but that result is not something i've ever heard as a goal by liberals or even dems.

    In contrast, many repubs openly deride the "elitist" mentality that education be universal. It's a proudly anti-intellectual party, despite many of them went to elite schools.

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    When I was growing up, Republicans were derided as elitist and over-educated rich snobs (think William F. Buckley). Now they're derided as anti-intellectual rednecks. Pretty amazing that the stereotyping has spun 180 degrees in a generation.

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