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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

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    It is more than short sighted it is criminal. These law makers should be locked away in their own privatized prisons. The money is going to their contributors instead of the people and there is not enough to go around.
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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What evidence do you have that 'they' don't want public institutions to exist?

    http://openaccesslibrary.org/images/...B._Kandiko.pdf
    The neoliberal economic agenda is leading to decreasing funding for public services around the world; in education, this agenda attempts “to weaken public control over education while simultaneously encouraging privatization of the educational service and greater reliance on market forces” (Berman, 2003, p. 253). Globally, decreased public funding of higher education is affecting institutions and systems (Prichard & Wilmott, 1997). Neoliberalism assumes that the market is more efficient than the state, so goods and services once considered public should become privatized, which also frees up capital for the market. “It seems that the policy of privatizing public science and its institutions has proceeded ideologically rather than by rational calculation. Such policies are assumed to fuel innovation and maximize wealth creation, but that is a highly contested assumption” (Atkinson-Grodjean, 2002, p. 72, emphasis in original). Higher education institutions must adjust, and are looking across borders for examples of adaptive and entrepreneurial organizations (Clark, 1998; Sporn, 1999).

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    http://openaccesslibrary.org/images/...B._Kandiko.pdf
    The neoliberal economic agenda is leading to decreasing funding for public services around the world; in education, this agenda attempts “to weaken public control over education while simultaneously encouraging privatization of the educational service and greater reliance on market forces” (Berman, 2003, p. 253). Globally, decreased public funding of higher education is affecting institutions and systems (Prichard & Wilmott, 1997). Neoliberalism assumes that the market is more efficient than the state, so goods and services once considered public should become privatized, which also frees up capital for the market. “It seems that the policy of privatizing public science and its institutions has proceeded ideologically rather than by rational calculation. Such policies are assumed to fuel innovation and maximize wealth creation, but that is a highly contested assumption” (Atkinson-Grodjean, 2002, p. 72, emphasis in original). Higher education institutions must adjust, and are looking across borders for examples of adaptive and entrepreneurial organizations (Clark, 1998; Sporn, 1999).
    Okay, so you have none. You could have saved yourself some needless effort by just saying so.

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Okay, so you have none. You could have saved yourself some needless effort by just saying so.
    Market driven policies are hardly new, obviously you have no knowledge of them. Feel free to keep yourself in the dark.

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Market driven policies are hardly new, obviously you have no knowledge of them. Feel free to keep yourself in the dark.
    No, they are not new. That is why the link of yours to an opinion piece was unnewsworthy.

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, they are not new. That is why the link of yours to an opinion piece was unnewsworthy.
    It's not an opinion piece. It's an academic one. Also, these policies are relatively new since more and more politicians from both parties are opting into representing them rather than preserving the existing system.

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodly View Post
    Is there any problem that conservatives see that can't be explained by too much government, or any problem that can't be solved by a tax cutting gun?
    Sure. Border security, for example.

    When public education was almost entirely funded by government, education was incredibly cheap.
    wrong. Not only has that never been the case, feel free, for example, to take a look at the continued rising cost for our primary education system.

    As universities have been caught up in the larger neoliberal trend toward privatization, costs have skyrocketed
    This is also incorrect. Firstly, our country has always had private colleges, Secondly, every single state in the union spends more on it's public colleges now than it did in 2007. There has been no "neoliberalization" trend - what has occurred is that, spurred by government support, colleges have hiked prices faster than the ability of the state to keep up.

    There is no reasonable argument to be made that government is the larger problem
    That's interesting.

    Um. You do know that the position that federal support to student loans is a major driver of the increase in tuition is such a crazy right-wing theory that it is the position of the current administration, who just admits that they don't know what to do about it, right?

    Privatization is the problem. Running universities as businesses is the problem.
    If I may quote Joe Biden on the matter: "in a pure free-market the college tuition would have to be lower".

    Tuition is significantly higher, which should be impossible, as I was led to believe that private businesses were without fail cheaper and more efficient!
    And, when government isn't screwing the market, it is.

    There are two industries where government is the major purchaser, and heavily controls supply: Healthcare, and Education. There are also two industries where costs have skyrocketed well past inflation for decades without a corresponding increase in quality: Healthcare and Education.
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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There are two industries where government is the major purchaser, and heavily controls supply: Healthcare, and Education. There are also two industries where costs have skyrocketed well past inflation for decades without a corresponding increase in quality: Healthcare and Education.
    That's because they are supplied by private interest whose interest is to make a profit.

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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That's because they are supplied by private interest whose interest is to make a profit.


    Sure. That's why the price of personal computers has skyrocketed, wheres military equipment keeps getting cheaper every year.
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    Re: LSU drafting 'academic bankruptcy' plan in response to state budget crisis

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    Sure. That's why the price of personal computers has skyrocketed, wheres military equipment keeps getting cheaper every year.
    Military equipment is also supplied by private interest.

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