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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    Even when it's explained to you? Perhaps you should participate only in threads involving current celebrities.

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

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    Even when it's explained to you? Perhaps you should participate only in threads involving current celebrities.
    You've explained nothing and I've no interest in celebs.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Bethlehem Bill View Post
    next up: students demand that university cancel discussion of huckleberry finn

    if you dont want to see a movie then dont go see the movie
    I recognize that argument.

    It's freedom of speech that everyone needs to tolerate some sort of leftist display, and yet it's also freedom of speech to shutdown any pro-conservative display.

    How is it consistent to have it both ways?
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    They seem to have insulted way more people by canceling the film than they would have if they went on with showing it if it made it to the news.
    Did they? Just seems like a handful of internet posters to me.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, it's not. A truly open environment would allow the materials to be presented, but also allow for opportunities to discuss and critique. You should always err on the side of allowing distribution, but allow for retorts-whether that comes in another function or not.

    Of course it is an opinion, but it is very relevant given they espoused reasons for why the University should stop that showing. It's a critique of the rationale behind their objections.

    I know these subtleties come hard for you, but do please actually pretend to care what the university stands for as an institution in American society before resorting to such simplemindedness.
    Your line of reasoning make sense to me and strikes a cord as well.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You have a twisted version of reality.

    The University was going to show the film until the petition said to not show the film. It was bullying. The proper intellectual environment would be to say you shouldn't pressure people to not present those materials. What you can do is allow for a rebuttal or panel discussion of Islamism or the like in film or popular culture. It's not like they don't have a case to critique the film, because we've long had scholars like Edward Said discuss how popular culture relies on certain tropes of Arab and Islamic culture. But you shouldn't bully people so they aren't exposed to another perspective.

    As someone above pointed out, any campus outrage at a showing of the Last Temptation of Christ ought to be viewed in the same light. Christians displeased with that film ought not have the power to bully and pressure the university from displaying the film.

    The university is a fragile structure. We shouldn't promote an intellectual atmosphere where only one spectrum of ideas are acceptable for public display or comment. It needs to be an open forum. Putting pressure to shield everyone from contentious issues is antithetical toward its purpose.
    Whatever happened to 'those who don't want to see it don't have to'?

    What could possibly more open to other's ideas than 'We are playing this movie. Come and watch it. Or not. Your choice.'
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Whatever happened to 'those who don't want to see it don't have to'?

    What could possibly more open to other's ideas than 'We are playing this movie. Come and watch it. Or not. Your choice.'
    Greetings, Erik.

    For some reason, Muslims have become a protected class by this administration here in America. Why this is, or when it happened I don't know. Over the years, I have seen many Muslim women shopping in the same stores I do, and they didn't ask for preferential treatment of any kind back then - they were neither pushy, nor loud and demanding, nor arrogant, and they were treated the same as any other shopper.

    However, lately it seems as if this administration has gone to great lengths to assure they are not offended in any way. This perception is having the opposite effect than BHO intended, though, IMO, since it causes resentment against them from everyone else, since no one likes to feel bullied. As has been pointed out, if you don't want to see a particular movie or any other presentation that you don't agree with, stay home or do something else you might enjoy. That's what most people do, since we don't all like the same things. Trying to force the issue is a stupid move, which will eventually backfire because it deliberately causes divisiveness, IMO.

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Erik.

    For some reason, Muslims have become a protected class by this administration here in America. Why this is, or when it happened I don't know. Over the years, I have seen many Muslim women shopping in the same stores I do, and they didn't ask for preferential treatment of any kind back then - they were neither pushy, nor loud and demanding, nor arrogant, and they were treated the same as any other shopper.

    However, lately it seems as if this administration has gone to great lengths to assure they are not offended in any way. This perception is having the opposite effect than BHO intended, though, IMO, since it causes resentment against them from everyone else, since no one likes to feel bullied. As has been pointed out, if you don't want to see a particular movie or any other presentation that you don't agree with, stay home or do something else you might enjoy. That's what most people do, since we don't all like the same things. Trying to force the issue is a stupid move, which will eventually backfire because it deliberately causes divisiveness, IMO.
    Greetings, Polgara.

    What a tangled web we weave when we start down the path of protected classes, as there's always an unprotected one, which feels bullied, as you correctly observe. Hard to reduce divisiveness and build unity that way. All that seems to be accomplished is to drive the resentment further underground, where is festers into something truly nasty.

    Wouldn't it be just easier and less divisive to let society take it's 'natural' course? Of course that'll never satisfy some who want the confrontation, the divisiveness, as it's where they make their money, such as the race hustlers we've observed in the last years.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Erik.

    For some reason, Muslims have become a protected class by this administration here in America. Why this is, or when it happened I don't know. Over the years, I have seen many Muslim women shopping in the same stores I do, and they didn't ask for preferential treatment of any kind back then - they were neither pushy, nor loud and demanding, nor arrogant, and they were treated the same as any other shopper.

    However, lately it seems as if this administration has gone to great lengths to assure they are not offended in any way. This perception is having the opposite effect than BHO intended, though, IMO, since it causes resentment against them from everyone else, since no one likes to feel bullied. As has been pointed out, if you don't want to see a particular movie or any other presentation that you don't agree with, stay home or do something else you might enjoy. That's what most people do, since we don't all like the same things. Trying to force the issue is a stupid move, which will eventually backfire because it deliberately causes divisiveness, IMO.
    Yes, it has created divisiveness in society and, according to what the Islamists say, that is what they want. They have no intention on any long term 'melting pot' but want to remain Muslim and have everyone else become Muslim as well. They make no secret of that.

    And yes, the tradition has been to read a book, listen to a speaker or watch a movie - or not. But now that the ubersensitive Muslims have arrived in the first world the feeling among many is that everyone must adapt to their feelings and purported slights or a repeat of their earlier acts of violence will likely occur. It is they who will decide on which movies might be seen, speakers heard or books read. There is always an underlying threat and the intimidation works.

    This is nonsense, of course, and it is they who should be doing the adapting if they intend to live in a first world environment, but that is not what's happening. This will not end well.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Did they? Just seems like a handful of internet posters to me.
    You seem to have done your research.

    http://www.newsweek.com/university-m...reening-321230

    This was another MSA argument for cancelling the film. "I consider veterans and our military to be the real terrorists," Umraan Syed, president of the Illinois school's Muslim Student Association, wrote on its Facebook page.

    You good with that?

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