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    University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    SEE is a student organization, not an arm of the University administration. A group of students were going to show the film, and chose not to. Here's what the student group said:

    "Student Entertainment Events (SEE) has decided to postpone its May 6th and 7th screenings of American Sniper after meeting with concerned student organizations. SEE is choosing to explore the proactive measures of working with others during the coming months to possibly create an event where students can engage in constructive and moderated dialogues about the controversial topics proposed in the film."

    Bold is mine.



    A petition is an expression of an opinion by a group of people. That is free speech, not "bullying".



    The proper intellectual environment would be to allow students to choose to show or not show the film as they see fit.



    Funnily enough, this is exactly what they are planning on doing. Apparently you didn't read the statement.



    If a student group wanted to show that film, and another group of students protested its showing via signing a petition, the exact same situation would apply. It's irrelevant what the film is.
    To downplay the role of SEE at the university is hilarious. Their own page indicates that they are the entertainment venue for the university. The campus Republicans were in collaboration with SEE to show the film. It was not until another group started complaining did they back down and restrict the goals of the other campus groups. The film is no longer to be shown because privilege was given to the bullying tactics of one student group over the other.

    If a disability student group was working with a student activity group in screening a film critiquing the conservative movement for its view of people with disabilities and the Republican student group pitched a fit about it and as a result the disability group couldn't air its film-that is a form of bullying, because now in its place the Republicans only wanted to inject themselves into the conversation without giving fair audience to the disability group.

    That's the difference. Had they aired the film and then put in a moderated discussion or the like, that would not infringe on the Expression of the group's that wanted American Sniper to be shown. Instead you cut down on the ability to watch the film in favor of then allowing people to attack it. It's a power imbalance pure and simple.

    It's antithetical to the purpose of the university.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    They should be showing Lone Survivor anyways it's a way better movie.

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Because they feared some people might not like it, they chose not to do it, freedom of choice to be intimidated!"
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    They chose to show it, and then chose to not, to prevent a negative backlash. That's free speech. They weren't forced to not show it. They chose to.
    Freedoms and threats don't go together. One isn't exercising his freedoms when he is being threatened into exercising them.
    Perhaps in your ideal world they do, but not in the free world.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The University had the freedom to chose to screen this film. They chose not to. That isn't an attack on free speech, that is an example of it.
    It was closed as a result of charges of "Islamophobia", the catch-all term which frightens many groups into silence. Of course the Muslims on campus could have shown the good Islam has done throughout the world, its contributions to the science, the arts, and so on, but chose not too.

    In fact, judging from the petition, none of them even saw the movie. But the University, as well as SEE, knows perfectly well what happens when Muslims become annoyed by any possible criticism, real or imagined.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Freedoms and threats don't go together. One isn't exercising his freedoms when he is being threatened into exercising them.
    Perhaps in your ideal world they do, but not in the free world.
    There were no threats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It was closed as a result of charges of "Islamophobia", the catch-all term which frightens many groups into silence. Of course the Muslims on campus could have shown the good Islam has done throughout the world, its contributions to the science, the arts, and so on, but chose not too.

    In fact, judging from the petition, none of them even saw the movie. But the University, as well as SEE, knows perfectly well what happens when Muslims become annoyed by any possible criticism, real or imagined.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Oh, you youngsters. I guess you weren't around when Last Temptation of Christ came out. Christians and conservatives all over the US had a collective snit, and didn't just protest against it, they openly tried to get it shut down -- without, of course, actually seeing the movie.

    I was in St Louis at the time, and the city's fire marshall shut down the theater where it was supposed to be shown. He made no pretense about his reasons, either.

    Same thing with numerous art exhibitions in the 90s -- e.g. Robert Mapplethorpe, Andres Serrano, David Wojnarowicz, Karen Finley, Chris Ofili come to mind.

    I for one find it mildly hilarious that you imagine that conservatives and Christians have never protested a movie, art exhibit, book, website, or any other cultural expression in an attempt to stifle its author(s).
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    There were no threats.
    To quote you yourself; "They chose to show it, and then chose to not, to prevent a negative backlash".

    No one says it isn't within their rights and freedoms to voice their protest against the film.
    It's just that claiming the university exercised its "freedom of speech" when it decided not to show a film it first desired to show purely because they are fearing the repercussions from those who protested against the movie, it's quite bizarre to label it as "a great example of freedom of speech". It's a classic example of intimidation. Fully legal intimidation but intimidation nonetheless.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    To quote you yourself; "They chose to show it, and then chose to not, to prevent a negative backlash".
    A negative backlash means upsetting other students. It doesn't mean there were any threats.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    A negative backlash means upsetting other students. It doesn't mean there were any threats.
    It seems you believe threats to only come in the form of a letter in the mail with the title "I know where you live".
    Negative backlash is something to feel threatened by. They were threatened by the Muslim students' fury over the film and they were intimidated by this so to cancel the film. A university canceling a film because of protests from a group of people is always a bad sign and never a "perfect example of freedom".
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