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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The university feared an attack on campus. Period.
    There was no threat of violence
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If campuses are going to insist that we need to have an armada of left-wing socially conscious films and documentaries that may be controversial (which is fine by me), then let's not get our panties in a bunch when a mainstream film is being shown. American Sniper was relatively tame, given that its main criticism was that it didn't even highlight (let alone make the decision to celebrate) his more controversial racial/ethnic views.

    Furthermore, attacking a film for being nationalistic is tremendously lame. Many of the celebrated left-wing films made in the past half century were nationalistic. They were attacking the colonial social order of the French, the British, the Soviets, and so on. In its place they frequently desired the native-grown population to take control over their own affairs. That's nationalism, folks. Methinks the youth meant to say "colonialist" or "hegemonic."
    None of this is relevant.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Freedom of speech is a one-way street these days. And this country has lost its spine.
    Oh, you youngsters. I guess you weren't around when Last Temptation of Christ came out. Christians and conservatives all over the US had a collective snit, and didn't just protest against it, they openly tried to get it shut down -- without, of course, actually seeing the movie.

    I was in St Louis at the time, and the city's fire marshall shut down the theater where it was supposed to be shown. He made no pretense about his reasons, either.

    Same thing with numerous art exhibitions in the 90s -- e.g. Robert Mapplethorpe, Andres Serrano, David Wojnarowicz, Karen Finley, Chris Ofili come to mind.

    I for one find it mildly hilarious that you imagine that conservatives and Christians have never protested a movie, art exhibit, book, website, or any other cultural expression in an attempt to stifle its author(s).

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

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    None of this is relevant.
    It's all relevant. The university system is meant to be an open ground for the safe exchange of ideas. Not only does this push from the group dismantle that concept, but they also have an incredibly flawed basis by which to suggest the university shouldn't air that film.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's all relevant. The university system is meant to be an open ground for the safe exchange of ideas. Not only does this push from the group dismantle that concept
    No it doesn't at all. In fact this is an example of the very thing you're saying didn't happen. Ideas were exchanged in an open manner. As a result, the group freely chose to not show the film. That's a prime example of what you're claiming should be happening.

    but they also have an incredibly flawed basis by which to suggest the university shouldn't air that film.
    That's your opinion, and again, irrelevant.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No it doesn't at all. In fact this is an example of the very thing you're saying didn't happen. Ideas were exchanged in an open manner. As a result, the group freely chose to not show the film. That's a prime example of what you're claiming should be happening.



    That's your opinion, and again, irrelevant.
    No, it's not. A truly open environment would allow the materials to be presented, but also allow for opportunities to discuss and critique. You should always err on the side of allowing distribution, but allow for retorts-whether that comes in another function or not.

    Of course it is an opinion, but it is very relevant given they espoused reasons for why the University should stop that showing. It's a critique of the rationale behind their objections.

    I know these subtleties come hard for you, but do please actually pretend to care what the university stands for as an institution in American society before resorting to such simplemindedness.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    University of Maryland cancels



    Freedom of speech is a one-way street these days.

    And this country has lost its spine.
    I think it is nonsense to ban a movie for anything other than it being illegal (illegally obtained material) but for the rest even movies someone does not agree with should be shown no matter who objects, muslims have no right to ban the showing of a movie but please religious/American loving people, don't complain when someone shows religulous or "The life of Brian" (and yes, that goes for muslims too, it is a funny movie).
    toward that end the tactics and the strategies that people resort to in carrying out this ideologically driven agenda of what they call “pro-life” which is really pro-fetus does not have anything to do with the lives of babies after they’re born or the women who bear them.

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, it's not. A truly open environment would allow the materials to be presented, but also allow for opportunities to discuss and critique.
    What? So a "truly open environment" would be forcing this group to show the film?

    I don't think you know what "allow" means. The film was "allowed" to be shown. The people doing the film screening chose not to.
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    University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What? So a "truly open environment" would be forcing this group to show the film?

    I don't think you know what "allow" means. The film was "allowed" to be shown. The people doing the film screening chose not to.

    You have a twisted version of reality.

    The University was going to show the film until the petition said to not show the film. It was bullying. The proper intellectual environment would be to say you shouldn't pressure people to not present those materials. What you can do is allow for a rebuttal or panel discussion of Islamism or the like in film or popular culture. It's not like they don't have a case to critique the film, because we've long had scholars like Edward Said discuss how popular culture relies on certain tropes of Arab and Islamic culture. But you shouldn't bully people so they aren't exposed to another perspective.

    As someone above pointed out, any campus outrage at a showing of the Last Temptation of Christ ought to be viewed in the same light. Christians displeased with that film ought not have the power to bully and pressure the university from displaying the film.

    The university is a fragile structure. We shouldn't promote an intellectual atmosphere where only one spectrum of ideas are acceptable for public display or comment. It needs to be an open forum. Putting pressure to shield everyone from contentious issues is antithetical toward its purpose.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The University was going to show the film
    SEE is a student organization, not an arm of the University administration. A group of students were going to show the film, and chose not to. Here's what the student group said:

    "Student Entertainment Events (SEE) has decided to postpone its May 6th and 7th screenings of American Sniper after meeting with concerned student organizations. SEE is choosing to explore the proactive measures of working with others during the coming months to possibly create an event where students can engage in constructive and moderated dialogues about the controversial topics proposed in the film."

    Bold is mine.

    until the petition said to not show the film. It was bullying.
    A petition is an expression of an opinion by a group of people. That is free speech, not "bullying".

    The proper intellectual environment would be to say you shouldn't pressure people to not present those materials.
    The proper intellectual environment would be to allow students to choose to show or not show the film as they see fit.

    What you can do is allow for a rebuttal or panel discussion of Islamism or the like in film or popular culture. It's not like they don't have a case to critique the film, because we've long had scholars like Edward Said discuss how popular culture relies on certain tropes of Arab and Islamic culture.
    Funnily enough, this is exactly what they are planning on doing. Apparently you didn't read the statement.

    As someone above pointed out, any campus outrage at a showing of the Last Temptation of Christ ought to be viewed in the same light. Christians displeased with that film ought not have the power to bully and pressure the university from displaying the film.
    If a student group wanted to show that film, and another group of students protested its showing via signing a petition, the exact same situation would apply. It's irrelevant what the film is.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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