Page 12 of 14 FirstFirst ... 21011121314 LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 133

Thread: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

  1. #111
    Educator
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,198

    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    I am very old-fashioned. I still believe the role of universities is to provide a good education for students and a stimulating environment for scientific research and that the movie-theatre business is somehow unrelated to universities.

  2. #112
    Sage
    Visbek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:14 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    9,400

    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Christians currently aren't the ones going into newspaper HQs and gunning down editors over cartoons. In fact, show me when they have ever done such things over anything you listed (in other words, no abortion clinic references).
    Again: Oh, how quickly we forget.

    There are numerous instances of Christians engaging in terrorism. Even if we ignore anything linked to abortion (which we shouldn't, but whatever) we have, to name but a few:
    • Sikh temple massacre, 8/5/12
    • Unitarian Church massacre, 7/27/08
    • Olympic Park bombing, 7/27/96
    • Murder of Alan Berg, 6/18/94
    • McVeigh bombing, 4/19/95
    • Breivik's terrorist attack, 7/23/11


    We should also remember that protesting a movie is not, in any way shape or form, the equivalent of a mass shooting for political purposes. Nor do these protesting individuals have any connection whatsoever to Muslim terrorists in Europe, any more than you have a connection to Timothy McVeigh.

  3. #113
    Sage
    Visbek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:14 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    9,400

    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Can you spot any other difference? "The Last Temptation of Christ" was shown. American Sniper, protested only in a letter, was not shown.
    lol

    If the conservatives had gotten their way, Last Temptation would never have been released, let alone shown on any movie theaters. Are you saying it's acceptable for conservative Christians to protest against a movie, as long as their protest is ineffectual?

    What you fail to recognize is that conservatives spent decades protesting against movies, TV shows, art exhibits and other art forms that offended them. And they still do it! They protested against The DaVinci Code, against Kathy Griffin (for a comment I won't repeat here), one church even protested against Frozen for its alleged pro-gay content.

    While it may not be hypocritical of specific individuals in this thread (as I don't know if any of them protested against any movies), it is quite clear that conservative Christians have frequently used this exact same tactic in the ongoing Culture Wars. You should at least be aware of that history before slamming this particular protest.

  4. #114
    Sage
    Visbek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:14 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    9,400

    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    For some reason, Muslims have become a protected class by this administration here in America.
    Uh, hello? Religion has been a protected class for decades. There is no change in how those protections apply to Muslims over the years, though the amount and/or degree of discrimination has surely increased.

    Further, the Obama administration has nothing to do with the voluntary decisions by a student organization in Maryland.


    Over the years, I have seen many Muslim women shopping in the same stores I do, and they didn't ask for preferential treatment of any kind back then....
    I've never seen any Muslim shoppers demand any preferential treatment.


    As has been pointed out, if you don't want to see a particular movie or any other presentation that you don't agree with, stay home or do something else you might enjoy.
    What I find amusing is that liberals were saying that to conservatives for a few decades, when those conservatives were protesting against art exhibits, and movies, and books, and TV shows, and what have you. I guess the message finally sank in.

  5. #115
    Sage
    Visbek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:14 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    9,400

    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    ....the tradition has been to read a book, listen to a speaker or watch a movie - or not. But now that the ubersensitive Muslims have arrived in the first world the feeling among many is that everyone must adapt to their feelings....
    Yet again, this is wildly inaccurate.

    The "tradition" is to try to prevent others from ever coming into contact with the offensive or disruptive works. Texts like Ulysses were banned in the US for decades, until the public decided to take the 1st Amendment seriously.

    Christians and conservatives spent years and years protesting against works of art and culture without seeing it first. Leftists have also protested certain works, such as American Psycho.

    There's really nothing new here.

  6. #116
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 08:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    lolIf the conservatives had gotten their way, Last Temptation would never have been released, let alone shown on any movie theaters.
    But it was shown in movie theaters and everything was peaceful.
    Are you saying it's acceptable for conservative Christians to protest against a movie, as long as their protest is ineffectual?
    You can read what I'm saying and it's all quite clear.
    What you fail to recognize is that conservatives spent decades protesting against movies, TV shows, art exhibits and other art forms that offended them. And they still do it! They protested against The DaVinci Code, against Kathy Griffin (for a comment I won't repeat here), one church even protested against Frozen for its alleged pro-gay content.
    And where is the problem with any of this?

    While it may not be hypocritical of specific individuals in this thread (as I don't know if any of them protested against any movies), it is quite clear that conservative Christians have frequently used this exact same tactic in the ongoing Culture Wars. You should at least be aware of that history before slamming this particular protest.
    Christians have a history of peaceful protests while the history of Islamic protests is quite different. Do you really not know this? Muslim Protests Spread Around the Globe - The Atlantic

  7. #117
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 08:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Yet again, this is wildly inaccurate. The "tradition" is to try to prevent others from ever coming into contact with the offensive or disruptive works. Texts like Ulysses were banned in the US for decades, until the public decided to take the 1st Amendment seriously.
    That's quite right, and it was because of the sexual content. The same is true of other books as well.
    Christians and conservatives spent years and years protesting against works of art and culture without seeing it first. Leftists have also protested certain works, such as American Psycho
    Right
    There's really nothing new here.
    That's right also. Protests are not new. However the form these Muslim protests take, through violence and physical intimidation, is quite new.

  8. #118
    Sage
    Visbek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:14 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    9,400

    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    This sure has become a different world than the one I remember from not too many years ago....
    While you are under no obligation to reveal your age, a comment like this suggests that you're a young whippersnapper.

    There was substantially more youth rebellion in the late 1960s and early 70s than anything we see today. Young people routinely attacked a variety of authority figures, from military to police to university administrations to politicians. And not just verbal attacks or protests -- I'm talking literal attacks, ranging from riots (Chicago '68) to terrorist attacks (Weather Underground) to gun battles with the police (Black Panthers etc)

    "Justice for all" used to mean "justice for white people, and lynchings for blacks." Women were routinely marginalized, ignored, and thwarted from most professional careers, and were expected to be barefoot and in the kitchen.


    politically correct speech is now expected, but word meanings are changed from time to time, so you're never sure
    lol

    Racism, sexism, and other forms of discrimination are no longer tolerated. Figuring out what not to say isn't really that difficult, unless you categorically refuse to watch Key & Peele and/or Broad City. The difference is that in the past, those groups were basically thwarted from speaking at all, let alone expressing political views.

    And again: Conservatives spent decades trying to shut down all sorts of speech (and of course, behaviors) merely because it offended their sensibilities. The difference is that now, their tactics aren't very effective. And if you can't use a tactic anymore, why should you allow your political rivals to use it?


    judges in lower courts over-rule a majority vote by the people if they don't agree with them
    Courts have overturned unconstitutional laws for decades; nothing new there.

    And no, legislators are not empowered to take away the rights of citizens, even if a majority of citizens demand it. That's a basic concept of American jurisprudence.


    our flag and way of life that many died for is ridiculed and demeaned....
    Not sure how to break this to you, but desecrating the flag is a form of protected speech. In a thread where you're complaining about people shutting down speech, that seems like an odd thing to object to.

    Oh, and people have desecrated the flag as a form of protest for decades. Pretty routine in the 60s and even the 90s. Nothin' new there too.


    riots and destruction of property have become commonplace as a means of expressing unhappiness with the system....
    Uh, no. No, they haven't. There were a few very small riots in Ferguson, which is NOTHING compared to the riots throughout the 1960s, or even the LA riots in 1992.

    I'd say that sports riots are far more common in the US today than political riots....
    White People Rioting for No Reason -- NYMag


    Either the inmates are truly running the asylum, or we're reliving the last days of earlier civilizations that were once great, but decayed from within.
    Or, you have absolutely no awareness or perspective on American civil society, and believe a bunch of declinist nonsense because some of your political views got sidelined.

  9. #119
    Sage
    Visbek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:14 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    9,400

    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But it was shown in movie theaters and everything was peaceful.
    American Sniper has a box office total of $348,306,000 -- and it's still showing in some theaters across the US, including Maryland. The protest was also perfectly peaceful, it was basically a petition of 300 students. There was absolutely no violence involved in this protest, before or after. If we apply your logic, you should have no objection to this protest, or this outcome.

    Let me be clear, I'm not thrilled by this outcome. However, what I am more specifically pointing out in this thread is that it is completely incorrect to act as though leftists are the only ones who have protested a cultural exhibition, or that there is anything new or exceptional about this. It's a critical fact, easily overlooked by partisans when it suits them.


    Christians have a history of peaceful protests while the history of Islamic protests is quite different....
    What a total massive flaming chunk of bull****.

    Christians have engaged in a huge range of violent actions in the name of enacting political change. E.g. racists frequently cited their Christian theological views when pushing for slavery and segregation. Christians often beat, and in some cases murdered, homosexuals based on their theological views. I listed a half dozen instances of Christians who used terrorist tactics.

    Looking back further, throughout European history we see Christians oppressing, murdering and waging war on one another in mixtures of sectarian and political violence, just as we see with Muslims today. We see Christians invading the Middle East in the Crusades (and, in at least one instance, sacking the Eastern Orthodox city of Constantinople in the process), using methods so crude and violent that it shocked Muslims into responding. We see Christians attacking Jews and reveling in anti-semitism for centuries.

    And since you missed it, there was this little thing called the Arab Spring -- a largely peaceful series of protests that changed a half dozen governments.

    Claiming that "Muslims are violent and Christians are not!" based on a biased and selective reading of 5 of history? Sorry, that doesn't fly.

  10. #120
    Sage
    Visbek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:14 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    9,400

    Re: University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Protests are not new. However the form these Muslim protests take, through violence and physical intimidation, is quite new.
    Y'know what else is not new? Total fabrications of a sequence of events to meet a pre-determined conclusion.

    In this case, there was no violence or intimidation. There was no threat of violence or intimidation. There was no HINT of violence or intimidation. About 300 students signed a petition claiming that American Sniper perpetuates Islamophobia (a claim I do not agree with btw).

    If you live in sheer abject terror of 300 students who sign a petition asking a student organization not to show a movie, that's not the fault of the UMD's Muslim Students Association. That one's on you.

Page 12 of 14 FirstFirst ... 21011121314 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •