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    University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Whatever happened to 'those who don't want to see it don't have to'?

    What could possibly more open to other's ideas than 'We are playing this movie. Come and watch it. Or not. Your choice.'
    There's certainly no shortage of American and international left-wing materials distributed and discussed at the average American university, nor should there be. Nevertheless, there are many alternative perspectives out there and they should be heard out.

    If we expect students to be grown ups and handle being intellectually challenged by Marx, Sanger, Derrida, and Foucault, sexual studies pioneers, environmentalists and anti-war spokespersons, they can certainly handle being challenged by proprietors of the Right. This wasn't some Neo-Nazi production for Pete's sake. It doesn't qualify as hate speech, yet it's being pilloried as if it were the equivalent of such.

    Why do we presume it is appropriate to privilege the views of one group over the other, when it certainly wouldn't be tolerated by left-wingers if the shoe was on the other foot? The value is in having a venue to engage in different ideas and debate them with a semblance of fairness. If material is controversial, you still provide an avenue for it to be displayed and then you can have additional discussion. That's what the university is supposed to provide.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Greetings, Polgara.

    What a tangled web we weave when we start down the path of protected classes, as there's always an unprotected one, which feels bullied, as you correctly observe. Hard to reduce divisiveness and build unity that way. All that seems to be accomplished is to drive the resentment further underground, where is festers into something truly nasty.

    Wouldn't it be just easier and less divisive to let society take it's 'natural' course? Of course that'll never satisfy some who want the confrontation, the divisiveness, as it's where they make their money, such as the race hustlers we've observed in the last years.
    This sure has become a different world than the one I remember from not too many years ago, exempting politics, which seems to bring out the worse in some people! Back then, everyone more or less attempted to get along with other people, and authority was respected.

    Then look at today - arrogant foul-mouthed students think they run the colleges they attend; every policeman is now automatically a bad guy; "protected" groups think everyone else owes them something; the same degree of justice for all is just a memory, since some are apparently above the law, and laws that you don't like can be ignored; politically correct speech is now expected, but word meanings are changed from time to time, so you're never sure; judges in lower courts over-rule a majority vote by the people if they don't agree with them; our flag and way of life that many died for is ridiculed and demeaned, and if you object, you're called names like racist or worse; riots and destruction of property have become commonplace as a means of expressing unhappiness with the system, which is a way of life in backward third-world countries, but shouldn't be happening here; and our lawmakers exempt themselves from laws everyone else has to obey.

    Either the inmates are truly running the asylum, or we're reliving the last days of earlier civilizations that were once great, but decayed from within. Those are my observations, and my opinion.

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Whatever happened to 'those who don't want to see it don't have to'?

    What could possibly more open to other's ideas than 'We are playing this movie. Come and watch it. Or not. Your choice.'
    Well, the truth is that "even though I didn't watch that hateful movie, I object that others are watching it. Who knows what they are thinking?" Seems like the irony of a statement like that might light a bulb. Maybe. I know that's a fictitious secnario, but that's the thought I think is behind the whole thing. That is, there's not much thought at all - but it yields results, so....

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    This sure has become a different world than the one I remember from not too many years ago, exempting politics, which seems to bring out the worse in some people! Back then, everyone more or less attempted to get along with other people, and authority was respected.

    Then look at today - arrogant foul-mouthed students think they run the colleges they attend; every policeman is now automatically a bad guy; "protected" groups think everyone else owes them something; the same degree of justice for all is just a memory, since some are apparently above the law, and laws that you don't like can be ignored; politically correct speech is now expected, but word meanings are changed from time to time, so you're never sure; judges in lower courts over-rule a majority vote by the people if they don't agree with them; our flag and way of life that many died for is ridiculed and demeaned, and if you object, you're called names like racist or worse; riots and destruction of property have become commonplace as a means of expressing unhappiness with the system, which is a way of life in backward third-world countries, but shouldn't be happening here; and our lawmakers exempt themselves from laws everyone else has to obey.

    Either the inmates are truly running the asylum, or we're reliving the last days of earlier civilizations that were once great, but decayed from within. Those are my observations, and my opinion.
    And an excellent rant it was!

    It seem to me that the coarsening of society, at least in the democracies, began in the late 1960's with 'God is Dead', the sexual revolution, and the widespread use of drugs. Of course I'm not innocent in any of this myself but there are some values retained and lines not crossed. Now those lines have become blurred, or ignored altogether. Anyone outside the democracies can see how weak we've become, accepting things our parents and grandparents would have readily fought against or, in this case, just laughed at and ignored. This weakness, the little understanding of history, and lack of moral clarity, could very well be our undoing.

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    University of Maryland cancels



    Freedom of speech is a one-way street these days.

    And this country has lost its spine.
    This has jack to do with free speech or the 1st Amendment. And before anyone jumps to any stupid conclusions without knowing how my school operates, as a student at the University of Maryland, this came across my Facebook feed earlier:

    The University of Maryland was not involved in the decision to postpone or cancel the showing of American Sniper. This decision was made by Student Entertainment Events, a student-led organization comprised of undergraduate students who work alongside advisors in the creation, promotion, and operation of campus events. Their official statement on the decision to postpone the film can be found here: https://see.umd.edu/american-sniper/.
    Now I actually enjoyed the movie and think that at the very least it should be allowed to be screened to promote dialogue and discussion. But this wasn't a move that was officially done or sanctioned by the University so please stop with the idiotic comments about free speech, and even if it were, it still wouldn't be a 1st Amendment issue.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This has jack to do with free speech or the 1st Amendment. And before anyone jumps to any stupid conclusions without knowing how my school operates, as a student at the University of Maryland, this came across my Facebook feed earlier: Now I actually enjoyed the movie and think that at the very least it should be allowed to be screened to promote dialogue and discussion. But this wasn't a move that was officially done or sanctioned by the University.
    The nonsense in the SEE statement suggests that the poor neutered buggers were brainwashed at the U of Maryland rather than educated. What self-serving sanctimonious bilge!

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Did they? Just seems like a handful of internet posters to me.
    If something is on mainstream news it will always anger more than "a few internet posters".
    You are unable to see beyond the medium that you are familiar with, which in this case is this forum.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    There was no coercion involved. A bunch of people said "we don't like you're doing this and don't think you should" and so they didn't.
    which would be considered intimidation to most people.
    depending on the circumstances of them protesting it.

    they should have continued to play the film and told them to go dig a hole or something.
    this PC BS has gotten out of control.

    welcome not the the US home of the free and brave,
    but to the Home of the spineless meme of it might offend someone.

    these people need to cry a river build a bridge and get over it.
    however this is what run away liberalism meme and PC when allowed to happen does. it turns the entire nation into wimps.

    yep it was intimidating and CAIR was involved.
    now the school is paying the price for kowtowing to these people.
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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I think cancelling a film for the stated reason is stupid; however, the university has the right to do so if it wishes. It wished to do so.
    Well it was in the Democratic Peoples Republic of Maryland. But they did have a big parade right after.

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    Re: University of Maryland cancels ĎAmerican Sniperí after Muslim students complain

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You seem to have done your research.

    http://www.newsweek.com/university-m...reening-321230

    This was another MSA argument for cancelling the film. "I consider veterans and our military to be the real terrorists," Umraan Syed, president of the Illinois school's Muslim Student Association, wrote on its Facebook page.

    You good with that?
    The quote you posted doesn't seem to appear in the article you posted.
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