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    Re: Freddie Gray Was Injured in Police Van, Baltimore Officers’ Lawyer Says

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Takes a hell of a lot of force to sever a spine. Interesting indeed.
    Yeah. But it also says there is no other evidence of injury. Does that mean there is no bruising? I am very distrustful of the police but I think it is very possible he fell while unsecured in the back of the van. How would the cops have broken his back without leaving any other marks?

    I think there is plenty of reasonable doubt, unless more specific autopsy info comes out.

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    Re: Freddie Gray Was Injured in Police Van, Baltimore Officers’ Lawyer Says

    No camera in the van so no abuse was possible? Maybe that's the solution. Police carry compact instantly self erecting tents to pull people into out of the view of cell phones and then there would be no police abuse because if it's not on video it never happened.

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    Re: Freddie Gray Was Injured in Police Van, Baltimore Officers’ Lawyer Says

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    So your opinion is most deaths at the hands of police are not crimes and yet my opinion that they are is a "trap". How about you don't fall into the trap in thinking that because you trust police officers they are actually trustworthy?
    Exactly. You have shown (so far) 4 examples out of 450+ (annually), or less than 1% of, police caused deaths that you suspect (and that I also agree) may well be crimes. That clearly supports the (my?) opinion that most (over 99%? of) police caused deaths are not so likely due to criminal acts by the officer(s) involved.
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    Re: Freddie Gray Was Injured in Police Van, Baltimore Officers’ Lawyer Says

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Yeah. But it also says there is no other evidence of injury. Does that mean there is no bruising? I am very distrustful of the police but I think it is very possible he fell while unsecured in the back of the van. How would the cops have broken his back without leaving any other marks?

    I think there is plenty of reasonable doubt, unless more specific autopsy info comes out.
    It is "very possible he fell while unsecured in the back of the van" and the fall broken his back???

    And that would cause no bruising, but if the police broke his back it would? You're really grasping for anything there to back up the police.

    Actually, his back may have been broken in the take down, and even though he could still move his legs then that does not mean his back was not already broken and the nerves not yet severed.

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    Re: Freddie Gray Was Injured in Police Van, Baltimore Officers’ Lawyer Says

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Seriously? A restrained person in a police van simply gets up? Was he Houdini or something?
    There is no bizarre reasoning police groupies won't give. Ah, yes, people falling in vans going around corners lethally breaking their back is one of the leading causes of death. This is particular true of police vans because they are especially designed to have many hard steel edges and corners for officers and drunks to fall into.

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    Re: Freddie Gray Was Injured in Police Van, Baltimore Officers’ Lawyer Says

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Everything you just said is garbage. It reminds me of a survey taken of white people in the 1950s or 60s where the majority of respondents said that black people were treated equally to white people. Talk about clueless. If what you said was correct - if it was just about resisting police violence - then white people who "resist" would be treated the same as black people who do so, but they aren't.

    You're part of the problem and, at your age, I think it's too late for education. I certainly don't have the patience. If you have grand-kids, maybe they'll be patient enough to teach you something. More likely, your generation will just die out so we can get better as a society.
    Interesting.

    First you ask for a conversation about why I believe what I do then, when I give the answer, you simply dismiss everything I said as "garbage". That kind of makes having any decent conversation pretty damned difficult.

    It all kind of makes me think that you really don't want to have a conversation at all and what you really want is to rant, lecture or simply wallow around in your own self pity.

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    Re: Freddie Gray Was Injured in Police Van, Baltimore Officers’ Lawyer Says

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You keep asking this question and it seems to the root of your cluelessness so I'll just respond to this.

    Anti-white racism is not endemic in this police system nor in the country as a whole so why the **** would white deaths be relevant to a conversation about racism related police violence. They wouldn't. If you don't get that, you are part of the problem. As far as I can tell, activists are trying to educate folks like you. Hopefully, they'll get to you soon.
    In your myopic view only the deaths of black folks as a result of white police actions matter. I fully get that point yet that accounts for (so far) 4 very questionable deaths out of about 450 (annual) deaths caused by police action but without any proof of racial bias/motive. You have yet to show any evidence of racism - unless you consider a mere racial difference between perp/victim to be the all important factor.
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    Re: Freddie Gray Was Injured in Police Van, Baltimore Officers’ Lawyer Says

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Seriously? A restrained person in a police van simply gets up? Was he Houdini or something?
    I do not know how it works in the US, but from what I see from English police shows they are stuck in a cell in a van, they are not chained to the floor and I would hope that also does not happen in US police vans. Getting up with handcuffs is not that difficult I would admit and in most vans you can stand up if you want to.
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    Re: Freddie Gray Was Injured in Police Van, Baltimore Officers’ Lawyer Says

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    By blaming police violence against black people on aggressiveness by black people, you're excusing and justifying the violence. You may not want to believe that you are, but if you weren't, there would have been no need to include that comment. Such a comment about white "passiveness" has literally nothing to do with how frequent this is.
    When did I blame blacks?
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    Re: Freddie Gray Was Injured in Police Van, Baltimore Officers’ Lawyer Says

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    When did I blame blacks?
    When are you going to provide the source I asked for? Or is your silence a tacit admission that your comment about white people being more passive than black people was just you being casually racist?

    It's amazing how people like you just casually throw out comments like "white people are generally more passive" like it's just an accepted truth and when you are asked to provide evidence of your BS, you ignore the request and respond EXCLUSIVELY to other comments made by the poster asking you for the evidence. And, to make it worse, you pretend like you didn't make arguments you actually made. No integrity WHATSOEVER. Sickening.

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