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    Re: Senate confirms lynch as attorney general. 10 "republicans" vote for her

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well there most certainly is in the federal grand jury in the eastern district of Oklahoma, I recently completed an 18 month duty in which we deliberated several.
    that would be criminal forfeiture where property is listed on an indictment

    Not civil forfeiture

    I should note that sometimes an AUSA seeks a criminal forfeiture and when the GJ won't include that in a bill, the AUSA then pursues a civil forfeiture so you might have considered a matter which ended up a civil forfeiture
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    Re: Senate confirms lynch as attorney general. 10 "republicans" vote for her

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    that would be criminal forfeiture where property is listed on an indictment

    Not civil forfeiture

    I should note that sometimes an AUSA seeks a criminal forfeiture and when the GJ won't include that in a bill, the AUSA then pursues a civil forfeiture so you might have considered a matter which ended up a civil forfeiture
    Two such in my recollection, out of more than a hundred cases heard in that time.
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    Re: Senate confirms lynch as attorney general. 10 "republicans" vote for her

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Two such in my recollection, out of more than a hundred cases heard in that time.
    a grand jury is neither necessary nor a component in a civil forfeiture case. I know I tried 20 of them including my last trial as DOJ attorney. I never appeared before a grand jury as part of those cases.
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    Re: Senate confirms lynch as attorney general. 10 "republicans" vote for her

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I see none of the Obama fan boys on this thread want to deal with this question

    DOES ANYONE BELIEVE that these two successive black appointees to the AG office were the best and the brightest attorneys Obama could find in the Department of Justice?
    ... probably because no one ever gave a satisfactory answer to the equivalent question about Gonzales and Clarence Thomas.

    Seriously Turtle? Why are you boring us with this disingenuous question. You know that Presidential appointments are rarely about the best and the brightest, nor should they be. Any good administrator needs a competent manager and technician that believes in the mission and can work well with the boss. The Boss gets to pick his lieutenants.

    The advice and consent role of the Senate is a veto on the nominee (do they fit the competency and fit for office standard). Obama's AG nominees clearly meet this standard.

    As to competency, however, many of continue to ask that question about Clarence Thomas. Perhaps once you justify him do you have any basis to challenge Holder or Lynch.

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    Re: Senate confirms lynch as attorney general. 10 "republicans" vote for her

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    ... probably because no one ever gave a satisfactory answer to the equivalent question about Gonzales and Clarence Thomas.

    Seriously Turtle? Why are you boring us with this disingenuous question. You know that Presidential appointments are rarely about the best and the brightest, nor should they be. Any good administrator needs a competent manager and technician that believes in the mission and can work well with the boss. The Boss gets to pick his lieutenants.

    The advice and consent role of the Senate is a veto on the nominee (do they fit the competency and fit for office standard). Obama's AG nominees clearly meet this standard.

    As to competency, however, many of continue to ask that question about Clarence Thomas. Perhaps once you justify him do you have any basis to challenge Holder or Lynch.
    Fair point. I never believed Bush searched the country over for the brightest when he was interviewing for the job. Matter of fact, I don't think he interviewed, just brought along his Texas buddy to Washington.
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    Re: Senate confirms lynch as attorney general. 10 "republicans" vote for her

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah she got those jobs because she was black
    2. And you know that because she's black.

    Yes, I know that's the extent of your 'case.' It's still a crap argument. The only way it makes sense is if we assume that a black woman cannot rise to those posts on her own merit. If you want to assert THAT, then you should do so. It won't improve the argument any, but at least we'll all know how you draw your conclusions.

    and since you spend so much time mentioning I am a lawyer, I am going to note your lack of a law degree and experience in the legal profession is probably the excuse for your inaccurate comments
    Yes, you made that disappointingly weak point in the previous post. So I'll ask again, "What does that have to do with anything other than you got nothing?"

    If readers need some inside knowledge about how it works in the legal world, where black women only rise to power based on AA, seems to me you should provide that background information for us. Tell us how it works. Can't wait!

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    Re: Senate confirms lynch as attorney general. 10 "republicans" vote for her

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    2. And you know that because she's black.

    Yes, I know that's the extent of your 'case.' It's still a crap argument. The only way it makes sense is if we assume that a black woman cannot rise to those posts on her own merit. If you want to assert THAT, then you should do so. It won't improve the argument any, but at least we'll all know how you draw your conclusions.



    Yes, you made that disappointingly weak point in the previous post. So I'll ask again, "What does that have to do with anything other than you got nothing?"

    If readers need some inside knowledge about how it works in the legal world, where black women only rise to power based on AA, seems to me you should provide that background information for us. Tell us how it works. Can't wait!
    isn't it just as lame to assume that she got those jobs on credentials? I remember dealing with a black female higher up in justice who was a complete idiot and when I mentioned that to a very well respected federal judge he noted

    She acts that way because she thinks she got that appointment from Clinton (in reality the democrat senators) in spite of being black and female when in reality she got the job because she was black and female

    you don't seem to get the point. She got into Harvard on affirmative action, she got into the law school on affirmative action and with those credentials she got the jobs
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    Re: Senate confirms lynch as attorney general. 10 "republicans" vote for her

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    isn't it just as lame to assume that she got those jobs on credentials? I remember dealing with a black female higher up in justice who was a complete idiot and when I mentioned that to a very well respected federal judge he noted

    She acts that way because she thinks she got that appointment from Clinton (in reality the democrat senators) in spite of being black and female when in reality she got the job because she was black and female
    OK, so your assumption really is a black woman cannot succeed on her merits. At least we've finally arrived at your baseline viewpoint.

    BTW, I can't believe you're willing to put such terrible arguments in writing - you once knew a black female who was a complete idiot, so that means Lynch is also a complete idiot because, you know, Lynch is also black and a woman, and they're all the same..... Seriously? You can't believe that's an argument anyone serious will accept do you?

    And, no, it's not "lame" to assume that people with a long and accomplished career are competent and rose to those positions based on their merit.

    you don't seem to get the point. She got into Harvard on affirmative action, she got into the law school on affirmative action and with those credentials she got the jobs
    She graduated from law school in 1984. She has a 30 year career after that, TD. Unless you have some information you're not telling us, assuming that after a 10 year career in the U.S. Attorney's office, the last two as the U.S. Attorney, she (for example) was signed on as partner at a major law firm in D.C. and remained there for a decade as partner "solely" on the basis of her diploma hanging on the wall is, well, racist.
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    Re: Senate confirms lynch as attorney general. 10 "republicans" vote for her

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Really, many off them do have their knickers in a knot about it.

    Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture
    Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform | U.S. Congressman Tim Walberg
    Lets put it this way... as soon as they actually pass a reform that actually reforms the process in all states.. then well it is nothing but hot air.
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