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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    Also, training soldiers is much less expensive.
    Um no.. training a soldier is much more expensive. You are looking at $1m before they are actually deployed.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    What legality issue? Like international law?
    Oh something called assassination. Killing an American before trial is considered assassination per law. No American can legally be killed in this manner (drone). Right now Obama has killed 6 Americans illegally.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Takes just 1 preplanned Ops to go bad, and it can quite easily. Target may be in a populated town- well guarded, many enemy on the ground. Then from landing to the target has to be considered. Not all are like OBL landing in a large walled area, I would hazard a wild guess most are not.
    So from landing, to move to the target. 1 person can sound an alarm. Then the target- killing, or extracting hostages.
    Then they have to extract themselves.

    I am sure many remember this one.
    Battle of Mogadishu (1993) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Battle of Mogadishu was all kinds of **** ups. But US runs hundreds of Special Ops mission in Afghanistan and around the world each month.. and they go of with a hitch 99% of the time. Some times it actually requires humping it a few miles just to get on target. So be it. It's a helluva lot better then murdering people (Americans) because the American public is too stupid to realize it's illegal.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Like the responsibility that Ronald Reagan took in '82 when 250 American servicemen were killed in one wack in Lebanon. Gee, I don't remember impeachment, involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, or any of that coming down on him. In fact, he was re elected. So, yeah, I guess being president DOES give you a get out of jail free card: isn't that so.

    Reagan also ran from Lebanon
    with his tail between his legs saying it was one of the stupidest choices he ever made. Reagan policy became "neutral position and neutrality" after bombing of the Marine barracks.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    That link isn't specific enough. It brings me to a newsroom with all sorts of stuff...

    Anyways, which part of the constitution? The asking congress in regards to going to war? Which part?
    Article III, Section 3:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

    The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.



    No US citizen killed in the War of Terror has ever had two witnesses or open court declaration. I should add media declaration is not a court declaration. One is sworn testimony, then other is running your mouth as seen by MSM in the US.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    this wasn't a targeted killing from what I know..There wasn't any particular AQ targeted, though 2 high level jihadist were killed
    Is that a good kind of collateral damage?
    Drones have there place--how could one send in special ops to the hindu kush?
    Signature strikes should be banned, other then that there was no way of knowing the hostages were there
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    With our drone war? This wouldn't have been any different if it was a bomb dropped from a warplane--except that more people would likely have been killed. We had intelligence that Adam Gadahn & Ahmed Farouq, among others, were there and the President made the decision to strike. Whether from a Predator or an F-16 the outcome would have been the same. Don't try and turn this into more drone hysteria.

    Incidentally Gadahn and Farouq were there and were killed along with an undisclosed number of senior militants.
    according to NBC News Richard Engle we didn't have intelligence the American Taliban (AQ?) were there there..

    Not to nit pick, but all I heard was it was going after an AQ facility -am I wrong?

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    this wasn't a targeted killing from what I know..There wasn't any particular AQ targeted, though 2 high level jihadist were killed
    Is that a good kind of collateral damage?
    Drones have there place--how could one send in special ops to the hindu kush?
    Signature strikes should be banned, other then that there was no way of knowing the hostages were there
    Hindu Kush is an area of operation for our Special Forces. Shok Valley is in the Hindu Kush. Don't get me wrong... Hindu Kush is where Empires go to die.. but the US has a good record there.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yeah it will quite possibly become a real massive problem if groups like ISIS ever develop weapons like that and deploy them in this country in response. Although futuristic, i don't think it's far fetched. I mean, the so-called intelligence agencies can't even protect the capital from a bigass jet, a gyrocopter, or a fat guy running right into the white house.
    You can count on "unfriendlies" developing and deploying this technology. Every weapons system America ever develops eventually gets copied by its enemies. In this case, if they follow the practices of America, you may find Americans being targeted by drones all over the world - and not just politicians or leaders - average Americans on vacation or traveling. The same argument that many use against "torture" can also be used against drones. On the battlefield, perfectly acceptable - in sovereign countries, not at war with you, not acceptable.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Funny how the OP and the accompanying article place the blame at the feet of the CIA as opposed to the President who authorizes all of these drone strikes. If an American, just out doing their job or minding their own business, happens to kill a fellow American mistakenly or completely by accident, they're likely to be charged with negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter.
    I guess being an irresponsible President gives you a get our of jail free card.


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