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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

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    Incredibly unfortunate. One of the major problems with our drone war program, incredibly difficult to verify who you are targeting, and confirming if the target was killed or who else was killed by the strike. RIP, and thoughts go out to the families.

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Funny how the OP and the accompanying article place the blame at the feet of the CIA as opposed to the President who authorizes all of these drone strikes. If an American, just out doing their job or minding their own business, happens to kill a fellow American mistakenly or completely by accident, they're likely to be charged with negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter. I guess being an irresponsible President gives you a get our of jail free card.
    Like the responsibility that Ronald Reagan took in '82 when 250 American servicemen were killed in one wack in Lebanon. Gee, I don't remember impeachment, involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, or any of that coming down on him. In fact, he was re elected. So, yeah, I guess being president DOES give you a get out of jail free card: isn't that so.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If that what it means to you, then I guess. But when the negatives costs have shown to outweigh the benefits, and the legality is constantly questioned either 1.)it needs to be put on halt and completely reformed, or 2.)Needs to end for good.
    Forbid take a person prisoner, just kill them instead is the Obama formula. No one goes to Club Getmo, kill them instead and if innocent people including an American captive is killed so be it.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Like the responsibility that Ronald Reagan took in '82 when 250 American servicemen were killed in one wack in Lebanon. Gee, I don't remember impeachment, involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, or any of that coming down on him. In fact, he was re elected. So, yeah, I guess being president DOES give you a get out of jail free card: isn't that so.
    President Obama is directly responsible for the deaths of the American and Italian hostages noted in the OP and the attached article - he gave the order. Perhaps you can enlighten my on what order President Reagan gave that directly resulted in 250 American servicemen being killed in Lebanon.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I didn't say that's what it means to me. I asked if that's what you're proposing.
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    Yeah, I get that you want the drone program to end. But I asked if you think we should pursue terrorists via some alternative means and you still haven't responded to that question.
    I think we need to end it completely. We should instead focus more efforts on aid, training, and diplomatic efforts with local leaders. As Malala said, "send books not drones, drones fuel terrorism".

    "Retired military officials warn that drones and commando raids are no substitute for the difficult process of helping local leaders marginalize militants. Missile strikes that kill members of al Qaeda and its affiliates in Pakistan and Yemen do not strengthen economies, curb corruption or improve government services. David Barno, a retired lieutenant general who commanded U.S. forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005, believes hunting down senior terrorists over and over again is not a long-term solution." How Obama’s drone war is backfiring
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No.



    I think we need to end it completely. We should instead focus more efforts on aid, training, and diplomatic efforts with local leaders. As Malala said, "send books not drones, drones fuel terrorism".

    "Retired military officials warn that drones and commando raids are no substitute for the difficult process of helping local leaders marginalize militants. Missile strikes that kill members of al Qaeda and its affiliates in Pakistan and Yemen do not strengthen economies, curb corruption or improve government services. David Barno, a retired lieutenant general who commanded U.S. forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005, believes hunting down senior terrorists over and over again is not a long-term solution." How Obama’s drone war is backfiring
    Now *that's* an answer. Thank you

    However, I think it's a bit naive.

    The fact is that these terrorists are taking advantage of the conditions in areas that are hard to govern. We can win the sympathy of many of the residents, but they will still have to deal with groups of people who are armed and will not hesitate to use them if they even suspect the locals are undermining them.

    Those areas need to be governed but Yemen, Pakistan, etc aren't about to do that because they can't. They don't have the resources or the will.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    What legality issue? Like international law?
    Not only international law, but sovereignty of other countries, and the US law as well
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Not only international law, but sovereignty of other countries, and the US law as well
    Which US law?

    International and sovereignty don't mean ****.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No.



    I think we need to end it completely. We should instead focus more efforts on aid, training, and diplomatic efforts with local leaders. As Malala said, "send books not drones, drones fuel terrorism".

    "Retired military officials warn that drones and commando raids are no substitute for the difficult process of helping local leaders marginalize militants. Missile strikes that kill members of al Qaeda and its affiliates in Pakistan and Yemen do not strengthen economies, curb corruption or improve government services. David Barno, a retired lieutenant general who commanded U.S. forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005, believes hunting down senior terrorists over and over again is not a long-term solution." How Obama’s drone war is backfiring
    Are you suggesting after 9-11 we should have sent books to the Taliban and AQ in Afghanistan to turn their ideology to not want to kill us.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Now *that's* an answer. Thank you

    However, I think it's a bit naive.

    The fact is that these terrorists are taking advantage of the conditions in areas that are hard to govern.
    They are. And they are taking advantage of our drone war as well.. How many "high value targets" has the US killed with drones? How many do we kill per year? The number is tiny. Hell in 2011 alone we only killed 2... "The number of “high-level” targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low—estimated at just 2%" Living Under Drones
    "Together, these first two numbers present the reality of U.S. drone strikes as it is hardly every covered: for every high-level suspect in Pakistan, the U.S. military kills 49 other people who we know little to nothing about and at least three of those 49 are children." Four numbers that everyone needs to know about drone strikes | syracuse.com

    We can win the sympathy of many of the residents,
    The thing is we are nowhere near winning sympathy with hardly anyone..
    " In a 2011 Pew Research Center poll, 97 percent of Pakistani respondents who knew about the attacks said American drone strikes were a “bad thing.” Seventy-three percent of Pakistanis had an unfavorable view of the United States, a 10-percentage-point rise from 2008." How Obama’s drone war is backfiring


    Those areas need to be governed but Yemen, Pakistan, etc aren't about to do that because they can't. They don't have the resources or the will.
    And people that can give them more resources instead are loosing support among the population
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