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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    And do what?
    End the drone war.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Sending in special forces (for example in the case of Bin Laden) would appear to be more effective both in terms of getting the guy you intend to get and in terms of not killing scores of innocents in the process. It amazes me that neither of these seem to be a priority.
    That is fine until you loose the people and they are paraded around a square and burned alive on TV.

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    End the drone war.
    Add let terrorists go about their "business" unhindered?
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Part of the local problem can also be attributed to Pakistan, which officially forbids US ground ops on its territory, officially forbids US drone strikes, and oftentimes simply refuses to mount an internal capture operation.

    Obama himself articulated the current US drone-strike policy which demands that the CIC sign-off an every potentially lethal strike. From previous reports by insiders on how the system works, Obama is informed in real-time of approximately how many people are within the kill/casualty zones besides the intended target. The strike-calculus then rests with him alone. The reports also say that he will generally not sign-off on a strike where collateral deaths/injuries are likely to occur. The one contrary instance I am aware of is his approval of a strike on a HVT with the knowledge that the target's wife would probably also perish. She did.

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    End the drone war.
    And then what? Do nothing and wait?

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Add let terrorists go about their "business" unhindered?
    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    And then what? Do nothing and wait?
    If that what it means to you, then I guess. But when the negatives costs have shown to outweigh the benefits, and the legality is constantly questioned either 1.)it needs to be put on halt and completely reformed, or 2.)Needs to end for good.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    Also, training soldiers is much less expensive.
    Training a Soldier for these kind of operations is very expensive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If that what it means to you, then I guess.
    I didn't say that's what it means to me. I asked if that's what you're proposing.

    But when the negatives costs have shown to outweigh the benefits, and the legality is constantly questioned either 1.)it needs to be put on halt and completely reformed, or 2.)Needs to end for good.
    Yeah, I get that you want the drone program to end. But I asked if you think we should pursue terrorists via some alternative means and you still haven't responded to that question.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If that what it means to you, then I guess. But when the negatives costs have shown to outweigh the benefits, and the legality is constantly questioned either 1.)it needs to be put on halt and completely reformed, or 2.)Needs to end for good.
    What legality issue? Like international law?
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    ANd conventional means result in even more "collateral damage"
    Takes just 1 preplanned Ops to go bad, and it can quite easily. Target may be in a populated town- well guarded, many enemy on the ground. Then from landing to the target has to be considered. Not all are like OBL landing in a large walled area, I would hazard a wild guess most are not.
    So from landing, to move to the target. 1 person can sound an alarm. Then the target- killing, or extracting hostages.
    Then they have to extract themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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