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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Thats because not only is sending in a spec ops team more expensive, it also is more risky. Its cheaper and less risky just to drone strike targets because if something goes wrong, all you lose is the drone...
    It's also less adaptable to changing situations. With a drone, your options are pretty much binary (there's a bit of flexibility, but not much): Complete the mission exactly as planned or abort it. With an SO team, you can adapt on the fly to changing situations.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    The key here is the phrase "as it stands". Simply ending it completely isn't the answer since there are situations where a drone strike is absolutely the best solution. What we need is a solution that fixes the current program's shortcomings. Simply tossing the whole nine yards isn't the answer, we need to fix the problems and make drones functional weapons in the right situations.
    I'm sure Jesus would be an advocate of the predator drone program.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    The key here is the phrase "as it stands". Simply ending it completely isn't the answer since there are situations where a drone strike is absolutely the best solution. What we need is a solution that fixes the current program's shortcomings. Simply tossing the whole nine yards isn't the answer, we need to fix the problems and make drones functional weapons in the right situations.
    Drones were initially designed as a war zone recognizance tool and, when armed, as a war zone weapon. This President has turned drones into vehicles of assassination outside of war zones. That's where the problem lies.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Sending in special forces (for example in the case of Bin Laden) would appear to be more effective both in terms of getting the guy you intend to get and in terms of not killing scores of innocents in the process. It amazes me that neither of these seem to be a priority.
    Also, training soldiers is much less expensive.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Im actually in favor of ending our drone war program as it currently stands.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Drones were initially designed as a war zone recognizance tool and, when armed, as a war zone weapon. This President has turned drones into vehicles of assassination outside of war zones. That's where the problem lies.
    Pretty much. My first impression of the drone is reonassaince/surgical-striking.

    And surgical strikes =\= assassination as far as I'm concerned.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Then go talk to big daddy obama.
    Wish I could.


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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Incredibly unfortunate. One of the major problems with our drone war program, incredibly difficult to verify who you are targeting, and confirming if the target was killed or who else was killed by the strike. RIP, and thoughts go out to the families.

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    We have a terrible situation we have backed ourselves into with decades of a costly, confusing and hypocritical foreign policy. We either continue with a Constitutionally questionable drone assassination program or we continue with a Constitutionally questionable conventional based conflict and/or war with just about anyone in the region program. Obama is not entirely to blame for why conditions are what they are.

    Either way we risk killing plenty of innocents, either way there is a cost (granted the former is far less than the latter,) and either way there is the consequence of ensuring plenty of future generations consider the US as untrustworthy hypocrites.

    For the purposes of this discussion there is no real way to ensure that these hostages would have survived a drone strike, a risky extraction process, paying some ransom or agreeing to some condition, or otherwise. The harsh reality is there is no guarantee once we are talking about al Qaeda or ISIS held hostages, no matter what we do.

    That does not make the drone strike right, just means we have an even bigger problem to discuss here that boils down to a foreign policy that gets us into significant problems.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Thats because not only is sending in a spec ops team more expensive, it also is more risky. Its cheaper and less risky just to drone strike targets because if something goes wrong, all you lose is the drone...
    ANd conventional means result in even more "collateral damage"
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Im actually in favor of ending our drone war program as it currently stands.
    And do what?

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