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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Do you really believe Pakistan to be trustworthy when it comes to dealing with Islamic terrorists? If there was even half a truth to it then how come so many terrorists find refuge in its lands and territories?
    There are thousands of terrorists finding refuge in America as we debate. I'd dare say there are a few hiding in plain sight in Israel too. So the point, once again, needs to be made - why is the US funneling tens of $billions in military aid to Pakistan if their military, nor their political leadership, can be trusted?
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

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    There are thousands of terrorists finding refuge in America as we debate. I'd dare say there are a few hiding in plain sight in Israel too. So the point, once again, needs to be made - why is the US funneling tens of $billions in military aid to Pakistan if their military, nor their political leadership, can be trusted?
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There are thousands of terrorists finding refuge in America as we debate. I'd dare say there are a few hiding in plain sight in Israel too. So the point, once again, needs to be made - why is the US funneling tens of $billions in military aid to Pakistan if their military, nor their political leadership, can be trusted?
    Then again if we blow up there civillians then why should they care about those who blow up ours?

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There are thousands of terrorists finding refuge in America as we debate. I'd dare say there are a few hiding in plain sight in Israel too. So the point, once again, needs to be made - why is the US funneling tens of $billions in military aid to Pakistan if their military, nor their political leadership, can be trusted?
    Most US aid to Pakistan is non-military. Much of the military aid is reimbursements for use of facilities.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    I am not arguing against your position. Just pointing out.. there is massive costs involved when it comes to troops. Troops have to be flown in, paid, given the best/forefront equipment in the world, and then you have benefits and so on for the families. So no it's not as simple as that.

    Any action the US does will cause a reaction. Boots on the ground is just as traumatic and causes anti-American resentment. You think Americans would realize Iraq and Afghanistan isn't that simple as fight "terrorism". We are fighting the locals. That's their land and they aren't gonna quit. Sure there are some groups that Americans know about.. and media reports on.. because they are buzzwords.
    Fair enough. Let's just agree that war is an undesirable expense no matter what you use to pull the trigger and call it even.

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    its war . read the AUMF
    it gives the executive the authority to prosecute just like a declared war.
    I'd prefer Congress actually declare war,but they won't -but it's disingenuous to say this isn't a war.
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    There is a LEGAL different between the two. That's what's at play here.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    There is a LEGAL different between the two. That's what's at play here.
    I beg to differ..
    AUMF gives legal authority just like a war..I agree that is problematic, since Congress is shirking their sworn duty.
    But I can't see any real legal differences in practice.

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    To sum it up in a sentence; Because a nonproductive friend is better than a nonproductive enemy.
    Or, as LBJ put it, "“It's probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in.”

    But, in the case of Pakistan, why do you think they are your friend? Despite the billions spent, they are not your friend.

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I beg to differ..
    AUMF gives legal authority just like a war..I agree that is problematic, since Congress is shirking their sworn duty.
    But I can't see any real legal differences in practice.
    Declaration of War triggers different abilities with respect to domestic law (emergency powers).

    AUMF gives none of that authority.

    It's why Attorney General Gonzales said to the Senate Judiciary Committee in February 2006... this:

    "There was not a war declaration, either in connection with Al Qaida or in Iraq. It was an authorization to use military force. I only want to clarify that, because there are implications. Obviously, when you talk about a war declaration, you’re possibly talking about affecting treaties, diplomatic relations. And so there is a distinction in law and in practice. And we’re not talking about a war declaration. This is an authorization only to use military force."
    Link to the Convo on this.

    Reality is there is a reason why AUMF didn't satisfy the legal standard for justifying illegal spying or anything else the US Government (President and Congress) has lost at the level of the Supreme Court. Be it granting rights to enemy combatants to giving them trials instead of holding them forever. Next up is FISA and NSA spying that Supreme Court will end up hearing (Klayman v. Obama). If this was a Declared War, none of this would have been questioned.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Warfare is bad all the time, and to be avoided, were it not so profitable.
    What an ignorant, uninformed and naive statement. There will always be be bad people who will not stop what they are doing unless they are made to stop. Carrying out a war on these kind of people is not a bad thing. It is a necessary thing for a civilized society to exist. TO make a blanket statement as you just did reflects a level of naivete normally only seen in elementary schools.
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