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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    And we are copying that?
    Yes, that's what the Obama admin used to justify the program. They used Israeli supreme court approval of IDF actions as precedent.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The moment a person joins a terror organization that targets a certain nation he poses an active threat to that nation until he leaves said organization or his organization renounces violence. The reason to it is that a person who is a member of a terror organization that actively targets members of a certain nation will conduct plans to target members of said nation, so even if a member of AQ hiding in Pakistan isn't currently attacking the United States that doesn't mean he isn't planning to do so and the assumption will always be that because he chose to become a member of the terror organization of al-Qaeda he will, at present or at one point, plan to target America and will be referred to as an active threat to the security of the United States as all members of al-Qaeda and other anti-American terror organizations are.
    I don't doubt that, but it's irrelevant to the discussion. There isn't a chance that someone hiding in a shack in Pakistan is a direct and imminent threat to the US. In those situations where they are tracked and located by US intelligence, they can be targeted by Pakistani ground forces. Otherwise, why is America sending $billions to Pakistan in annual military aid.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening 2M - I'm simply speaking to the principles behind the actions.
    Good evening, CJ.

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Sending in special forces (for example in the case of Bin Laden) would appear to be more effective both in terms of getting the guy you intend to get and in terms of not killing scores of innocents in the process. It amazes me that neither of these seem to be a priority.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Good evening, CJ.

    Pakistan has proven itself unworthy of the trust we repose in Israel in these situations.
    Under past administrations, maybe so - if America can move to put some trust in an unchanged administration in Iran, surely giving Pakistan a chance in such situations going forward is rational unless America wants to be actively involved in the region forever.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't doubt that, but it's irrelevant to the discussion. There isn't a chance that someone hiding in a shack in Pakistan is a direct and imminent threat to the US. In those situations where they are tracked and located by US intelligence, they can be targeted by Pakistani ground forces. Otherwise, why is America sending $billions to Pakistan in annual military aid.
    The theory leaves out the fact that Pakistan is a mess and giving their security forces the coordinates has proven counterproductive in most cases.
    Also it is, while correct that the person in most cases will not be a clear and present danger, the perp can often be a grave danger that will no longer be preventable, once the opportunity is past.
    now one can debate the trade off between soft and hard benefits and costs of drone strikes vs other methods. But I tend to believe the elimination of threat is a duty of government.

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Gaza is a hostile territory that is outside of Israel, thus terror threats from its lands are A) the responsibility of the IDF and not the Israeli police and B) cannot be handled by a counter-terror unit since it's an extremely hostile land so the best option is always from the air.
    Thats pretty much what the Germans said about the Warsaw Ghetto as well.

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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Okay. So just to understand you VanceMack.. 9/11 victims were Casualties of War, correct? Then why the **** did they get money from the Government? September 11th Victim Compensation Fund was created to prevent victims from suing the airlines. But if it was considered an act of war then it the airlines couldn't have been sued as it was an "act of war".

    Terrorism is a war which is equal to the War on Drugs. It's not a real war. No FORMAL declaration of war has never been passed by Congress. AUMF are used to subvert the law so Presidents and others can twist law in their own warped way to justify illegal spying, collection of data and assassinating Americans. Btw, you know how the Obama admin justified their "assassination" position? Using Israeli law. Not American law.
    its war . read the AUMF
    it gives the executive the authority to prosecute just like a declared war.
    I'd prefer Congress actually declare war,but they won't -but it's disingenuous to say this isn't a war.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Thats pretty much what the Germans said about the Warsaw Ghetto as well.
    No, no they haven't, and I'm sure if they were alive today they'd pretty much align with your agenda seeing that there couldn't possibly be something you'd disagree on.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't doubt that, but it's irrelevant to the discussion. There isn't a chance that someone hiding in a shack in Pakistan is a direct and imminent threat to the US. In those situations where they are tracked and located by US intelligence, they can be targeted by Pakistani ground forces. Otherwise, why is America sending $billions to Pakistan in annual military aid.
    There is. 9/11 was planned from some shack in some godforsaken desert, as most other major terror attacks were.
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