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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Tragic. All care to be avoided when at all possible. Casualties of war. And fighting terrorism IS a war. Yes.
    I hadn't realized the US was at war with Pakistan.

    And it depends on who's involved in the terrorism. Obama seems to have no problem negotiating with the terrorists in Iran and the Taliban in Afghanistan. And don't forget arming the terrorists, or at least some of them, in Syria. But sending a drone over Pakistan or Yemen or Somalia is cool for the big man in the Oval Office, regardless of the fallout.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Oh something called assassination. Killing an American before trial is considered assassination per law. No American can legally be killed in this manner (drone). Right now Obama has killed 6 Americans illegally.
    That's not true. An American who joins enemy forces and fights a war against the United States can be killed without a trial. Rules of warfare.
    Educate yourself.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I hadn't realized the US was at war with Pakistan.
    A state of warfare isn't limited to nations alone but to all kinds of factions.
    A terror organization for example can be in an open state of war with a nation, plenty of examples to this both in history and in present time.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    A state of warfare isn't limited to nations alone but to all kinds of factions.
    A terror organization for example can be in an open state of war with a nation, plenty of examples to this both in history and in present time.
    Would you condone the US sending a drone over Israeli territory to bomb a couple of terrorists hiding out in say Haifa - maybe a couple of Israeli citizens get vaporized in the process? No big deal, right?
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Tragic. All care to be avoided when at all possible. Casualties of war. And fighting terrorism IS a war. Yes.
    Okay. So just to understand you VanceMack.. 9/11 victims were Casualties of War, correct? Then why the **** did they get money from the Government? September 11th Victim Compensation Fund was created to prevent victims from suing the airlines. But if it was considered an act of war then it the airlines couldn't have been sued as it was an "act of war".

    Terrorism is a war which is equal to the War on Drugs. It's not a real war. No FORMAL declaration of war has never been passed by Congress. AUMF are used to subvert the law so Presidents and others can twist law in their own warped way to justify illegal spying, collection of data and assassinating Americans. Btw, you know how the Obama admin justified their "assassination" position? Using Israeli law. Not American law.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Would you condone the US sending a drone over Israeli territory to bomb a couple of terrorists hiding out in say Haifa - maybe a couple of Israeli citizens get vaporized in the process? No big deal, right?
    Do not engage in hyperbole. The situation you've described is unrealistic due to so many reasons, the most obvious one being that Israel unlike Pakistan would have been able to easily control the situation and a US airstrike would have been clearly uncalled for. An Israeli police (not even IDF) counter-terror unit can easily operate in such case and bring the situation to an end with minimal casualties.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Incredibly unfortunate. One of the major problems with our drone war program, incredibly difficult to verify who you are targeting, and confirming if the target was killed or who else was killed by the strike. RIP, and thoughts go out to the families.

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    This is unquestionably a sad event, and our thoughts are indeed with the families.

    Nonetheless, the striking departure in the drone program is not that a great number of innocents are killed, but that an unprecedentedly low number of innocents are killed. By several orders of magnitude this is the cleanest war ever fought.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That's not true. An American who joins enemy forces and fights a war against the United States can be killed without a trial. Rules of warfare.
    Educate yourself.
    Before you try and educate me.. let me help you.. US didn't declare war on anybody. They used a authorized use of military force (AUMF). Thus the US is not at war with anybody so rules of warfare don't apply and was the basis of the argument for detaining those captured without trial. So US hasn't declared war in Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, or even the Philippines. So by law it's not a War.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Do not engage in hyperbole. The situation you've described is unrealistic due to so many reasons, the most obvious one being that Israel unlike Pakistan would have been able to easily control the situation and a US airstrike would have been clearly uncalled for. An Israeli police (not even IDF) counter-terror unit can easily operate in such case and bring the situation to an end with minimal casualties.
    Eh? Cause you know how to police Gaza.
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    Re: American, Italian Hostages Killed in CIA Drone Strike in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Do not engage in hyperbole. The situation you've described is unrealistic due to so many reasons, the most obvious one being that Israel unlike Pakistan would have been able to easily control the situation and a US airstrike would have been clearly uncalled for. An Israeli police (not even IDF) counter-terror unit can easily operate in such case and bring the situation to an end with minimal casualties.
    That presumes the US felt a need to inform or consult with the Israeli government.

    Did the US administration inform the Pakistanis of this terrorist hideout and give them the opportunity to raid it themselves? While Pakistan is far from perfect allies, they have been fighting terrorist elements within their borders for years now. Or is the sovereignty of some nations irrelevant to America - might means right.
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