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    Re: Pregnant Popeyes worker fired after armed robbery

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, the "assault weapons ban" is gone and done, history.
    The Brady Act is all very well but as an ex-cop I can tell you has had little impact on felons getting firearms.
    Meanwhile the number of firearms in circulation has actually increased dramatically, while around 40 states adopted shall-issue CWP, and yet violent crime continues to trend downward as it has ever since the early 80s.

    Not wanting to derail the thread but I see little evidence of a causal link.
    We should start a new topic, but here is a small rebuttal from 2013, showing ownership is actually down not up from the 1970s.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us...hows.html?_r=0
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    Re: Pregnant Popeyes worker fired after armed robbery

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    We should start a new topic, but here is a small rebuttal from 2013, showing ownership is actually down not up from the 1970s.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us...hows.html?_r=0

    Correlation does not imply causality. There are studies showing the decline is due to "three strikes" laws and longer sentences in general, and there are studies implying that abortion is a major cause of reduced crime. Unraveling the whys would be quite an undertaking, and in all likelihood there would be many causal factors.

    As you say, that's a different topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Correlation does not imply causality. There are studies showing the decline is due to "three strikes" laws and longer sentences in general, and there are studies implying that abortion is a major cause of reduced crime. Unraveling the whys would be quite an undertaking, and in all likelihood there would be many causal factors.

    As you say, that's a different topic.
    I've always believed crime rate is tied to poverty myself, and as the poor get richer (ie technology) it seems to me to go down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    I've always believed crime rate is tied to poverty myself, and as the poor get richer (ie technology) it seems to me to go down.

    Good point. I did some study into the violent crime rates of various nations, and came to the conclusion that it was driven by four primary causal agents:

    1. Poverty/wealth inequality
    2. Corrupt or inefficient gov't/law
    3. Factionalism/tribalism/gangs
    4. Illegal drug trade

    ... not necessarily in that order.


    Culture is also a factor of course, in how accepting it is of using violence to solve problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Good point. I did some study into the violent crime rates of various nations, and came to the conclusion that it was driven by four primary causal agents:

    1. Poverty/wealth inequality
    2. Corrupt or inefficient gov't/law
    3. Factionalism/tribalism/gangs (access to firearms)
    4. Illegal drug trade

    ... not necessarily in that order.


    Culture is also a factor of course, in how accepting it is of using violence to solve problems.
    I've bolded that 3rd one as I think that is a major issue when dealing with those ideals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    I've bolded that 3rd one as I think that is a major issue when dealing with those ideals.


    I'd have to disagree with you again, I'm afraid.

    There seems to be virtually zero correlations between rates of private firearm ownership and murder rates in comparing various nations, for instance.


    I did a side-by-side comparison once, which I think I still have on file... yes there it is:

    I will list the top nations in order of rates of intentional homicide, also showing their rates of private gun ownership, then show the USA by contrast.

    Name.... homicide rate per 100,000.... gun ownership rate per 100.

    Honduras... 91.6... 6.2
    El Salvador... 69.2 ... 5.8
    Cote d'Ivoire... 56.9 ... not listed
    Jamaica... 52.2 ... 8.1
    Venezuela ... 45.1 ... 10.7
    Belize ... 41.1 ... 10
    Virgin Islands ... 39.2 ... not listed
    Guatemala ... 38.5 ... 13.1
    skipping down a bit...
    Columbia ... 33.4 ... 5.9
    South Africa... 31.8 ... 12.7
    skipping down some more...
    Greenland ... 19.2 ... not listed
    Russia ... 10.2 ... 8.9
    skipping down some more...
    Ukraine.... 5.2 ... 6.6
    Cuba... 5.0 ... 4.8

    And finally, well over halfway down the list...

    USA... 4.2 ... 88.8

    Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    As it turns out, the United States does not have that high of a homicide rate compared to most other countries, and given the amount of privately owned arms we are FAR more peaceable than most on a per-gun-owned basis.

    OBVIOUSLY, gun ownership is NOT directly linked to murder rates.

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    Re: Pregnant Popeyes worker fired after armed robbery

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'd have to disagree with you again, I'm afraid.

    There seems to be virtually zero correlations between rates of private firearm ownership and murder rates in comparing various nations, for instance.


    I did a side-by-side comparison once, which I think I still have on file... yes there it is:

    I will list the top nations in order of rates of intentional homicide, also showing their rates of private gun ownership, then show the USA by contrast.

    Name.... homicide rate per 100,000.... gun ownership rate per 100.

    Honduras... 91.6... 6.2
    El Salvador... 69.2 ... 5.8
    Cote d'Ivoire... 56.9 ... not listed
    Jamaica... 52.2 ... 8.1
    Venezuela ... 45.1 ... 10.7
    Belize ... 41.1 ... 10
    Virgin Islands ... 39.2 ... not listed
    Guatemala ... 38.5 ... 13.1
    skipping down a bit...
    Columbia ... 33.4 ... 5.9
    South Africa... 31.8 ... 12.7
    skipping down some more...
    Greenland ... 19.2 ... not listed
    Russia ... 10.2 ... 8.9
    skipping down some more...
    Ukraine.... 5.2 ... 6.6
    Cuba... 5.0 ... 4.8

    And finally, well over halfway down the list...

    USA... 4.2 ... 88.8

    Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    As it turns out, the United States does not have that high of a homicide rate compared to most other countries, and given the amount of privately owned arms we are FAR more peaceable than most on a per-gun-owned basis.

    OBVIOUSLY, gun ownership is NOT directly linked to murder rates.
    All of those countries have more issues with the poor/destitute, I'd love to see something along the lines of developed nations with fire arm rates near ours, but we are the highest of any developed nation.

    That is the problem with that comparison, you'll have to show me something similar among a developed nation with similar firearm ownership, but there isn't one and we are at the top of the list for developed nations.
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    Re: Pregnant Popeyes worker fired after armed robbery

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    All of those countries have more issues with the poor/destitute, I'd love to see something along the lines of developed nations with fire arm rates near ours, but we are the highest of any developed nation.

    That is the problem with that comparison, you'll have to show me something similar among a developed nation with similar firearm ownership, but there isn't one and we are at the top of the list for developed nations.


    Ok. Leaving aside America for the moment, let's contrast Canada and Britain, for a comparable first-world Western democracy example.


    I did a little checking. It is believed that there are between 7 million and 11 million guns, privately owned, in Canada, among a population of about 35 million... and there are also reports that there may be millions more guns that were never registered or "went missing".

    So, Canada is not exactly short of firearms. It have far more per-capita than most European nations, five times as many per-capita as England and Wales, and comes in 13th in the world in per-capita gun ownership.

    Sources:
    HOW MANY GUNS ARE THERE IN CANADA
    Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Canada has five times as many guns per capita as the UK, but it's murder rate is barely any higher.... 1.6 compared to 1.2, so murder rate is clearly not proportional to gun ownership rates.

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    Re: Pregnant Popeyes worker fired after armed robbery

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    Pregnant Popeyes worker fired after armed robbery

    Gotta wonder if the $400 was worth the publicity? I like their chicken, but mercy me, not the brightest move on their part.
    Based on the following from the link, it looks like Popeyes is stepping up to the plate:

    "We recently became aware of a story in Houston involving a Popeyes restaurant and employee. The restaurant is operated by an independent franchisee of the Popeyes brand. We have spoken to the local franchise owner of the restaurant, and he has taken immediate action to reach out to the employee to apologize and rectify the situation. While the facts are gathered, we will closely monitor this until it is appropriately resolved. We deeply regret the distress this situation has caused."

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    Re: Pregnant Popeyes worker fired after armed robbery

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ok. Leaving aside America for the moment, let's contrast Canada and Britain, for a comparable first-world Western democracy example.


    I did a little checking. It is believed that there are between 7 million and 11 million guns, privately owned, in Canada, among a population of about 35 million... and there are also reports that there may be millions more guns that were never registered or "went missing".

    So, Canada is not exactly short of firearms. It have far more per-capita than most European nations, five times as many per-capita as England and Wales, and comes in 13th in the world in per-capita gun ownership.

    Sources:
    HOW MANY GUNS ARE THERE IN CANADA
    Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Canada has five times as many guns per capita as the UK, but it's murder rate is barely any higher.... 1.6 compared to 1.2, so murder rate is clearly not proportional to gun ownership rates.
    Sure that is a good comparison, but like the UK they also have a national gun registry, which we don't have.

    Since we are using wiki and its pretty well sourced in this case: Gun politics in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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