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Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

Ah, it's really, really, really stupid....Platitudes and catch phrases are not debate.



Ah, but one liners will get you every time!
 
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2012 and after the FBI compiles them. Before that the state DOJs kept them individually and you had to do some math.



Thanks for the info. Can anybody actually get access to them?
 
If you get a chance, see if can catch the video and/or interview with Robert Valentine. Was telling some kids to run off when they were taunting the police about 30-40 minutes ago. His interview and why doing it was great too, if anyone needs to gain something out of this ****ed up situation, it's him imo.



Anderson Cooper gave him special credit for standing in the middle like that!
 
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It's certainly suspicious. However, I warn all of those jumping to conclusions here. We have not seen the evidence yet. Did he have some previous medical issues that have not been revealed? Did he struggle with cops, and during that struggle, was he injured as a result? I mean, if you'r not in great physical shape, and you have some medical issues and you resist arrest, and fight with police..... This is a possible scenario. It is, however, possible that there were some schinanigans going on here and a police officer went to far. Both are possible, both may be incorrect. It seems people are willing to jump to the conclusion police are to blame here without any evidence. Police haters have quite a bad record when it comes to crying foul. So far, every incident but 1 that I can think of which became a big deal in recent history, has turned out to be actual police brutality. But you police haters keep on hatin. You just make yourselves look sillier every time a criminal cries foul.
 
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"No Justice" is the chant every time but where is the justice for the shop owners all over this country simply trying to carve out a living only to have thousands of ignorant trash loot and burn down their sources of income? Hey black rioters keep it up and wonder why whites and other races hate blacks. You are hurting your own race as you trash businesses owned by good citizens. Recall the L.A. riots when the scum burned businesses owned by blacks?? Real intelligent people.
 
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"No Justice" is the chant every time but where is the justice for the shop owners all over this country simply trying to carve out a living only to have thousands of ignorant trash loot and burn down their sources of income? Hey black rioters keep it up and wonder why whites and other races hate blacks. You are hurting your own race as you trash businesses owned by good citizens. Recall the L.A. riots when the scum burned businesses owned by blacks?? Real intelligent people.

Sadly that is becoming a reality. It isn't that they do hate blacks, but there will just be an increase of distrust.
 
Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

It's certainly suspicious. However, I warn all of those jumping to conclusions here. We have not seen the evidence yet. Did he have some previous medical issues that have not been revealed? Did he struggle with cops, and during that struggle, was he injured as a result? I mean, if you'r not in great physical shape, and you have some medical issues and you resist arrest, and fight with police..... This is a possible scenario. It is, however, possible that there were some schinanigans going on here and a police officer went to far. Both are possible, both may be incorrect. It seems people are willing to jump to the conclusion police are to blame here without any evidence. Police haters have quite a bad record when it comes to crying foul. So far, every incident but 1 that I can think of which became a big deal in recent history, has turned out to be actual police brutality. But you police haters keep on hatin. You just make yourselves look sillier every time a criminal cries foul.

Yeah, at twenty five, he was probably in bad health. Spinal cord 80% severed!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Yeah, at twenty five, he was probably in bad health. Spinal cord 80% severed!!!!!!!!!!

http://wate.membercenter.worldnow.com/story/24195080/high-school-wrestler-injures-spine-during-match

You realize that the injury is indicative of nothing right? What I posted was a kid who wrestled and injured his spine. The doctors thought it was severed. What does that mean? He could have and the doctors seemed concerned. Why? It happens.

Now. I have limited medical knowledge, but I am a life guard (well not currently...but I'm still certified...and that includes spinal). Do you know why you backboard possible spinals? Because movement CAN sever the chord if it wasn't already.

This does not indicate guilt. It indicated the injury. That is a cold hard fact.
 
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High school wrestler suffers spinal injury during match

You realize that the injury is indicative of nothing right? What I posted was a kid who wrestled and injured his spine. The doctors thought it was severed. What does that mean? He could have and the doctors seemed concerned. Why? It happens.

Now. I have limited medical knowledge, but I am a life guard (well not currently...but I'm still certified...and that includes spinal). Do you know why you backboard possible spinals? Because movement CAN sever the chord if it wasn't already.

This does not indicate guilt. It indicated the injury. That is a cold hard fact.

Sure, no disagreement there, but again as DF argued, we want independent investigation, not the department investigating themselves.
 
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Sure, no disagreement there, but again as DF argued, we want independent investigation, not the department investigating themselves.

That only works if the independent investigation isn't someone looking to make the guilty call to appease the masses...for political gain.

You can distrust the cops. I get it. With the increasing news reports and all that. I am going to distrust politicians and lawyers because of a few thousand years of history.

As I said. This case isn't open and shut. Evidence doesn't indicate anything yet. Not evidence I've seen anyway.
 
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That only works if the independent investigation isn't someone looking to make the guilty call to appease the masses...for political gain.

You can distrust the cops. I get it. With the increasing news reports and all that. I am going to distrust politicians and lawyers because of a few thousand years of history.

As I said. This case isn't open and shut. Evidence doesn't indicate anything yet. Not evidence I've seen anyway.

Of course this isn't open and shut, and independent means INDEPENDENT.
 
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Of course this isn't open and shut, and independent means INDEPENDENT.

I'm aware. Who would you want to investigate this?
 
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I don't care if the cops stomped the guys throat until his spine severed the store owners don't deserve the treatment that they are getting. This just shows the general stupidity of the Black community when people come out into the burning streets and tell stories about their brother-in-law being mistreated by the police when he got caught stealing a car - another had a gun planted on him when he was arrested for theft - on and on they tell these stories that prove that there are a lot of are stupid liars out there.

0bama is the leader of the Black race and he has lied about everything. He even lies about his skills at golf; he reminds me to the last two leaders of North Korea who say that they invented the internet while shooting ten hole in ones. I think the new leader of NK has walked on the moon.

In 1977 misguided cops cost me $20K when a lot of people were making $10K a year. I didn't set anything on fire, I didn't throw rocks at police cars because I was smart enough to clear myself before I was indicted. I took seven months and truth serum but that cost $1,600 but when it was over I hired a Gypsy to cast spells on the cops. Dam,, maybe I should get that reversed??
 
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0bama is the leader of the Black race and he has lied about everything.


Oh. My. God. :blowup:
 
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I laugh at people who say they want an independent investigation. What they really mean, is they want an investigation that finds the cops guilty. If the cops are not found guilty, then the investigator was somehow paid off by the police or the government and another investigation is needed. You could perform 100 investigations, but the only investigation that matters for a lot of you people is an investigation that comes the the conclusion that the cops are guilty.
 
Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

I laugh at people who say they want an independent investigation. What they really mean, is they want an investigation that finds the cops guilty. If the cops are not found guilty, then the investigator was somehow paid off by the police or the government and another investigation is needed. You could perform 100 investigations, but the only investigation that matters for a lot of you people is an investigation that comes the the conclusion that the cops are guilty.

How many potholes do you think you have to hit before your spinal column is broken, your neck is snapped, and your voicebox is crushed? Sometimes the love of bureaucratic process is an impediment to justice and particularly when guilt is obvious.
 
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How many potholes do you think you have to hit before your spinal column is broken, your neck is snapped, and your voicebox is crushed? Sometimes the love of bureaucratic process is an impediment to justice and particularly when guilt is obvious.

Do we have evidence that the man did not struggle and resist arrest? Do we have evidence that proves this man did not have some kind of previous condition that may have contributed to his injury? I have seen people collapse in the middle of a football field after being barely tapped by someone and have a seizure in the middle of the field. I actually personally knew a player who died on the field during a slow speed, no pad practice after stepping in a pothole on the field and hitting his head. He had a previously unknown medical condition which caused his death. But you cop haters are drewling from the mouth so bad to stick every incident that occurs on the cops that you have concluded before any investigation that the cop is guilty already. What is the point of an investigation if your going to conclude guilt before the evidence comes out. Why not just drag the cop out in the street and burn him at the steak without any evidence at all. The feminists would love you guys!! They are trying to throw every man in america in jail without any due process at all. You want due process for every criminal that "allegidly" kills, robs, or assaults someone, but for cops, you don't believe in due process. I mean, how much more discrediting could you guys really be. When you open your mouths and spew obvious bias and hatred, how can anyone take you seriously. How can you NOT see how hypocritical your thinking is yourself. You either give everyone the benefit of the doubt (innocent until proven guilty), or no one the benefit of the doubt (guilty until proven innocent). You can't pick and choose, that's whats called, being consistent and fair.
 
Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

EXCLUSIVE: The Fourth Estate has been told that Freddie Gray’s life-ending injuries to his spine may have possibly been the result of spinal and neck surgery that he allegedly received a week before he was arrested, not from rough excessively rough treatment or abuse from police.

The Fourth Estate has contacted sources who allege that Freddie Gray received spinal and neck surgery a week before we was arrested, and was allegedly receiving a large structured settlement from Allstate Insurance. The surgery is allegedly related to a car accident in which Gray was involved.

[...]

If this is true, then it is possible that Gray’s spinal injury resulting from his encounter with the Baltimore Police was not the result of rough-handling or abuse, but rather a freak accident that occurred when Gray should have been at home resting, not selling drugs.



BREAKING: Freddie Gray Allegedly Had Spine Surgery Just One Week Before Arrest | The Fourth Estate
 
Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

EXCLUSIVE: The Fourth Estate has been told that Freddie Gray’s life-ending injuries to his spine may have possibly been the result of spinal and neck surgery that he allegedly received a week before he was arrested, not from rough excessively rough treatment or abuse from police.

The Fourth Estate has contacted sources who allege that Freddie Gray received spinal and neck surgery a week before we was arrested, and was allegedly receiving a large structured settlement from Allstate Insurance. The surgery is allegedly related to a car accident in which Gray was involved.

[...]

If this is true, then it is possible that Gray’s spinal injury resulting from his encounter with the Baltimore Police was not the result of rough-handling or abuse, but rather a freak accident that occurred when Gray should have been at home resting, not selling drugs.



BREAKING: Freddie Gray Allegedly Had Spine Surgery Just One Week Before Arrest | The Fourth Estate

The Police Commissioner admitted in a press conference that Gray was not buckled into the police van, nor did he receive medical treatment in a timely manner (multiple times).

That is what the police have admitted.
 
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The Police Commissioner admitted in a press conference that Gray was not buckled into the police van, nor did he receive medical treatment in a timely manner (multiple times).

That is what the police have admitted.
And?
Things that may have exacerbated the spinal injury are not the reason why the injury may have happened.
 
Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

I don't care if the cops stomped the guys throat until his spine severed the store owners don't deserve the treatment that they are getting.This just shows the general stupidity of the Black community when people come out into the burning streets and tell stories about their brother-in-law being mistreated by the police when he got caught stealing a car - another had a gun planted on him when he was arrested for theft - on and on they tell these stories that prove that there are a lot of are stupid liars out there.

0bama is the leader of the Black race and he has lied about everything. He even lies about his skills at golf; he reminds me to the last two leaders of North Korea who say that they invented the internet while shooting ten hole in ones. I think the new leader of NK has walked on the moon.

1977 misguided cops cost me $20K when a lot of people were making $10K a year. didn't set anything on fire, I didn't throw rocks at police cars because I was smart enough to clear myself before I was indicted.I took seven months and truth serum but that cost $1,600 but when it was over I hired a Gypsy to cast spells on the cops. Dam,, maybe I should get that reversed??

So can I find these gypsies on Yelp?
 
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I'm aware. Who would you want to investigate this?

Well, j-Mac says that the USDOJ has already begun an investigation which is better than leaving it just to the department in question to investigate themselves. I think some European countries have a very good way of dealing with it that I wouldn't mind seeing tried here. The IPCC, Independent Police Complaints Commission. They investigate and review all forms of misconduct by police officers, including violence, human rights abuses, etc. Their tasks are to ensure that complaints about police abuse are investigated in an adequate manner, and in accordance with the law. The mission of such bodies is primarily to ensure public confidence in police.
 
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I laugh at people who say they want an independent investigation. What they really mean, is they want an investigation that finds the cops guilty. If the cops are not found guilty, then the investigator was somehow paid off by the police or the government and another investigation is needed. You could perform 100 investigations, but the only investigation that matters for a lot of you people is an investigation that comes the the conclusion that the cops are guilty.

Who has said that?
 
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And?
Things that may have exacerbated the spinal injury are not the reason why the injury may have happened.

Not being buckled into a vehicle you never wanted to be in in the first place, while restrained and unable to buckle yourself in or break your fall...

That is called negligence. Passing several opportunities to call paramedics when care was obviously needed trips the scale toward criminal negligence.

It's pretty open and shut. Gray died in police custody by police actions.
 
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