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Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

What planet do you live on?

Some people believe 'it could never happen to them' and the ones it happens to 'deserve it.'

Like the guy late on his child support payments that ran from the cop and was shot in the back. Apparently, he 'deserved it.'

It would be lot cheaper tho, huh? To have alot less costs for prisons and courts? I hear that stoning in the Middle East is cheap AND good exercise.
 
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Sure there is, it's called running while black!
Makes you wonder why black men run under those circumstances. Oh wait, maybe it's those outstanding warrants and criminal records
 
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A) Good I did and still do the same. So you are aware of how easy it is to be injured. Freak accidents that aren't really uncommon. Even for the most in shape guy. That is the crux of my position. An injury doesn't have to be immediate to be severe. It can happen and go unnoticed. And that happens.

B) I find it MORE morally troubling that guilt is being established before the facts are out. I'm sure you would too, assuming that you don't look at this with a slant. The fact is there are possibilities that are not completely remote, and in fact closer to 50/50 that this was NOT a criminal action. That it could simply be accidental. An unintended consequence of police going hands on.

I'm sure you people down hard when you did BJJ. Not like you tried too right? I do it once in a while. I'm a big guy. Sometimes I have to lay a knee down to help a training partner out in the rib department.

Again. This isn't "victim blaming." It is fact observation. The facts do not point to one cause. They point to many potential causes. Only someone trying to serve a cause would draw only one from these.

I'm also a larger person (6'4", 215), and yeah, stuff happens in sports, but sports are recreational and consenting. Interaction with law enforcement isn't something you sign up for at the local YMCA. It's a likely unexpected encounter that you're unprepared for and potentially only get to do once, without do overs or tap outs.
 
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Apparently it currently raises the odds.
It apparently does, but it absolutely shouldn't be.
 
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This stuff happens at the hands of cops to white people and latinos on a daily basis and nobody says a word. While I feel bad for the black guy who got his neck snapped by cops, I also feel bad for the tens of thousands of white and latino guys who've died in police custody and to this day nobody knows their names and never will because nobody cares.

White or latino guy dies in police custody? Oh. What's for lunch? Black guy dies in police custody? National media attention and civil rights investigations.
 
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I'm also a larger person (6'4", 215), and yeah, stuff happens in sports, but sports are recreational and consenting. Interaction with law enforcement isn't something you sign up for at the local YMCA. It's a likely unexpected encounter that you're unprepared for and potentially only get to do once, without do overs or tap outs.

EXACTLY! So if you RUN...your chance of injury goes up. Do you expect the police NOT to put someone down who runs? It isn't tag. My entire point here is that injury during the scuffle cannot be ruled out AND that would be justified.

There is not enough evidence released to the public for us to know who is at fault.
 
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Do you have something against courts and juries?

Not at all, but it just seems that people have bi passed that in favor of blaming the police without having all the facts...I mean, really? There are people in here advocating just letting the perp go if they run....Is that really conducive to getting in front of a court, or jury?
 
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Of course people are terrified by the police and run out of fear. They know they cannot trust the police not to beat or kill them. Look at the guy that stole the horse. When the cops caught him, 10 of them beat the crap out of him.

Your best bet is just give up when police officers want to arrest you, if you tire them out with a long chase and multiple officers are needed you risk a beat down, there shouldn't be a beat down but you risk it anyway if you do things that make that more likely to happen (resisting, leading them on a foot chase, trying to hit officers, etc.).

Better to not trust and be arrested than resist arrest and get punished twice (once by the cops who beat you and once by the judge who orders you to pay for the removal of your own blood from their uniforms and then gives you extra months/years for resisting arrest).
 
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No but apparently it means you'll be executed without trial and conservatives will cheer from the sidelines.

No one is cheering for this man's death. If he falls into the category I described, that's on him.
 
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Another runner with a record.

STOP running and resisting!

Really? Your advice is to simply let police search you for being in your own neighborhood (a known drug sales area)? The arrest, as far as I can tell, was for possession of a pocket knife - why is that not a 2A and 4A violation? If during the "arrest process" you can be seriously injured or killed then it would seem foolish not to avoid (resist?) that arrest - not much has been reported about the fate of the other man (reported to be with/near him at the time) also seen running away from police.
 
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Apparently, you don't pay any attention to them.

I see them splatter all over the screen as you do. I also see the FBI stats that show how rare it actually is.
 
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Really? Your advice is to simply let police search you for being in your own neighborhood (a known drug sales area)?

You may not like the job they have to do, and heck, they may not like it either, but they still have to do it...So, yeah, let them do their job, and move on...

The arrest, as far as I can tell, was for possession of a pocket knife - why is that not a 2A and 4A violation?

Not everything is a federal case, (although this one is now) but if the family wanted to pursue the road to the Supreme Court they are free to find an attorney that is willing to take the case and move that direction....Hope they have a large checkbook.

If during the "arrest process" you can be seriously injured or killed then it would seem foolish not to avoid (resist?) that arrest

I would guess that most injuries to cops, as well as suspects happen during resisting arrest...Those who comply and follow orders generally are unharmed.

not much has been reported about the fate of the other man (reported to be with/near him at the time) also seen running away from police.

Probably got away...It's like the old story: "Walking through the woods with a friend that was overweight, and smoked, the out of shape friend says 'I'm surprised we are walking through here, isn't this the trail where a lot of bear sightings have been reported'? The other man replies, 'it sure is'....Then the first man says 'well, what do we do if a bear attacks'? the other man says 'run'....the first says 'we had better be fast'....the first man says 'don't have to be, I just have to be faster than you'....:mrgreen:
 
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No one is cheering for this man's death. If he falls into the category I described, that's on him.

You mean being a dumbass? Sure, if you're a dumbass in America, and you're killed by police, that's your own fault.... Seriously?

The other thing that's a bit surprising is you said you agreed that 12 million arrests was a problem, many of them BS arrests. But surely you have to see that the BS arrests flow right into some kid running from cops. Lots of articles and the DOJ report detail the process. Stop some guy with a broken tail light, find a joint in the ash tray, guy gets a $500 ticket. Doesn't show up for court because he doesn't have the money to pay. Now he's got a warrant for his arrest for that. It also means his DL is suspended. So if he drives to work, and gets stopped, pile on another ticket, and maybe a few days in jail, gets fired from his job and he still can't drive legally but that's the only way he can get to a job. And his actual crimes were a busted tail light and a joint. But because he's poor he's now in a spiral that takes money he doesn't have to get out of.

And then people wonder why a guy might run for police....

It's one thing if the person is a suspected serial rapist, but since we haven't heard that, it's more likely what he was running from was one of those BS arrests you're opposed to, and now he's dead. I don't see how that makes sense to anyone.
 
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Really? Your advice is to simply let police search you for being in your own neighborhood (a known drug sales area)? The arrest, as far as I can tell, was for possession of a pocket knife - why is that not a 2A and 4A violation? If during the "arrest process" you can be seriously injured or killed then it would seem foolish not to avoid (resist?) that arrest - not much has been reported about the fate of the other man (reported to be with/near him at the time) also seen running away from police.

Supposedly the perps ran after the cops made eye contact. There was no initial search or questions.

As far as the switchblade, if the guy had a felony record, possessing an illegal weapon carries a greater penalty.

Don't get me wrong here. I have no idea what goes through the head of someone who runs from the cops...it's not in my nature. What I do see is where it puts your life in unnecessary danger by doing so.
 
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You mean being a dumbass? Sure, if you're a dumbass in America, and you're killed by police, that's your own fault.... Seriously?

The other thing that's a bit surprising is you said you agreed that 12 million arrests was a problem, many of them BS arrests. But surely you have to see that the BS arrests flow right into some kid running from cops. Lots of articles and the DOJ report detail the process. Stop some guy with a broken tail light, find a joint in the ash tray, guy gets a $500 ticket. Doesn't show up for court because he doesn't have the money to pay. Now he's got a warrant for his arrest for that. It also means his DL is suspended. So if he drives to work, and gets stopped, pile on another ticket, and maybe a few days in jail, gets fired from his job and he still can't drive legally but that's the only way he can get to a job. And his actual crimes were a busted tail light and a joint. But because he's poor he's now in a spiral that takes money he doesn't have to get out of.

And then people wonder why a guy might run for police....

It's one thing if the person is a suspected serial rapist, but since we haven't heard that, it's more likely what he was running from was one of those BS arrests you're opposed to, and now he's dead. I don't see how that makes sense to anyone.

Sounds like someone making bad decisions all around....
 
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I think you meant killing instead of prosecution, and I don't agree that being a dumbass gives police a license to kill you.

At this point, we don't know who or what killed him.
 
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You may not like the job they have to do, and heck, they may not like it either, but they still have to do it...So, yeah, let them do their job, and move on...



Not everything is a federal case, (although this one is now) but if the family wanted to pursue the road to the Supreme Court they are free to find an attorney that is willing to take the case and move that direction....Hope they have a large checkbook.



I would guess that most injuries to cops, as well as suspects happen during resisting arrest...Those who comply and follow orders generally are unharmed.



Probably got away...It's like the old story: "Walking through the woods with a friend that was overweight, and smoked, the out of shape friend says 'I'm surprised we are walking through here, isn't this the trail where a lot of bear sightings have been reported'? The other man replies, 'it sure is'....Then the first man says 'well, what do we do if a bear attacks'? the other man says 'run'....the first says 'we had better be fast'....the first man says 'don't have to be, I just have to be faster than you'....:mrgreen:

Hmm... What, exactly, were the lawful orders that you allege were given by the police? Two guys see the police "eying" them and run - one gets away and the other dies after being caught and charged with the possession of an "illegal" pocket knife.
 
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At this point, we don't know who or what killed him.

I had a good friend many moons ago, that was really into doing coke, and partying in general. He while working fell through a customers attic ceiling, and banged a dresser in the master bedroom on the way down. While recovering at home, went into convulsions and died....His wife, tried to sue the employer, safety on the job and all, and lost because the autopsy revealed that because of the drug use he had a condition called 'fatty liver' and that was the cause of his death, not the fall....
 
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Supposedly the perps ran after the cops made eye contact. There was no initial search or questions.

As far as the switchblade, if the guy had a felony record, possessing an illegal weapon carries a greater penalty.

Don't get me wrong here. I have no idea what goes through the head of someone who runs from the cops...it's not in my nature. What I do see is where it puts your life in unnecessary danger by doing so.

You have a perfectly good idea why the "felon" ran - he had an "illegal" pocket knife. Why should one's life be in danger for running?
 
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Hmm... What, exactly, were the lawful orders that you allege were given by the police?

Neither of us were there, but if the suspects started running as soon as they saw the police, then I can only guess "Stop!" was one of them.

Two guys see the police "eying" them and run - one gets away and the other dies after being caught and charged with the possession of an "illegal" pocket knife.

Yep, tragic...Probably would have gotten a warning, or a summons if they'd have just talked with the officers.
 
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Sounds like someone making bad decisions all around....

Well of course that's what you'd say. I imagine you see the U.S. incarceration rate 7 times that of France, 5 times that of China etc., and chant "We're Number 1! USA! USA! USA!!"
 
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You mean being a dumbass? Sure, if you're a dumbass in America, and you're killed by police, that's your own fault.... Seriously?

The other thing that's a bit surprising is you said you agreed that 12 million arrests was a problem, many of them BS arrests. But surely you have to see that the BS arrests flow right into some kid running from cops. Lots of articles and the DOJ report detail the process. Stop some guy with a broken tail light, find a joint in the ash tray, guy gets a $500 ticket. Doesn't show up for court because he doesn't have the money to pay. Now he's got a warrant for his arrest for that. It also means his DL is suspended. So if he drives to work, and gets stopped, pile on another ticket, and maybe a few days in jail, gets fired from his job and he still can't drive legally but that's the only way he can get to a job. And his actual crimes were a busted tail light and a joint. But because he's poor he's now in a spiral that takes money he doesn't have to get out of.

And then people wonder why a guy might run for police....

It's one thing if the person is a suspected serial rapist, but since we haven't heard that, it's more likely what he was running from was one of those BS arrests you're opposed to, and now he's dead. I don't see how that makes sense to anyone.

Running from the cops will bring more hurt to your life than not paying traffic or possession fines. That's all I'm saying.
 
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I had a good friend many moons ago, that was really into doing coke, and partying in general. He while working fell through a customers attic ceiling, and banged a dresser in the master bedroom on the way down. While recovering at home, went into convulsions and died....His wife, tried to sue the employer, safety on the job and all, and lost because the autopsy revealed that because of the drug use he had a condition called 'fatty liver' and that was the cause of his death, not the fall....

It's also why many employers demand a drug test should you be in accident at work. That could actually be a federal law.
 
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You have a perfectly good idea why the "felon" ran - he had an "illegal" pocket knife. Why should one's life be in danger for running?

Because you create a situation that would normally be considered 'more dangerous'.

I don't believe that most cops set out to kill someone at the start of their workday but, due to the perils of their job, they are prepared to make sure they make it home at night regardless what the criminal thinks.
 
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Running from the cops will bring more hurt to your life than not paying traffic or possession fines. That's all I'm saying.

Sure, he should have just stood there, and volunteered to be arrested on a BS charge with up to a year in jail and a $500 fine. It's one of those BS arrests he was trying to avoid, and you don't want to connect the dots.
 
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