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Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

That is a fact often overlooked by people. Hell most may not know unless they serve on a jury.

Had a prisoner get shanked to death a while back because of something. The prisoner stabbed the guy like 40 times because the guards couldn't open the back and stop it. They aren't allowed to stop in transit and they aren't allowed in the back.

Someone's head probably rolled from that. Stupid policy. But a logical one too.
Yeah I've been thinking it's possible that the other prisoner in the back had something to do with it, but then I would imagine that there are cameras pointed back there...
 
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Actually, the original claim was, "More USA people were killed by Police in the last 10 years than were killed in the Iraq War." And that's true.

And the relevant point to me is we're immune as a country to about 3 deadly police shootings every day. The vast majority are justified, but the numbers are a pretty good indication about the militarization of the police in this country. And the numbers are steady, despite decreases in underlying crime that have been going on for decades.

Really, We have a population of over 310 million, and you say 3 deadly shootings, that you yourself admit most are justified, is a good indicator that something is wrong with police? I'd say that is remarkably low....
 
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Really, We have a population of over 310 million, and you say 3 deadly shootings, that you yourself admit most are justified, is a good indicator that something is wrong with police? I'd say that is remarkably low....

3 per day is remarkable LOW? :shock:

OK.... :roll:

Just curious, what number would you consider HIGH? As a comparison, there are about 55 million people in England and Wales. So let's call it one sixth the population of the U.S. In the average year, the police there kill THREE people - in a year. On a similar per capita basis, that equates to 18 per year in the U.S. But we actually kill 1,000, which is in your view 'remarkably low'......
 
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Oh, "THEY" sampled their own group of news stories to extrapolate from...Well, that should settle it....:roll:

I understand your desire to discredit the source, but actually, no, the Facebook group didn't 'sample' anything. Follow the link I provided earlier and you'll see each and every shooting death is documented by a link to a credible news source. 538 did a sample of that comprehensive list and found none that weren't adequately supported.

Here's the link again: Killed By Police - 2015
 
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Looks to me like it is MORE than plausible that the injury occurred during the ORIGINAL scuffle. They loaded him up without being aware of a physical problem and then in transit they became aware of it and called paramedics.

"In custody" means nothing. Especially if there was a spinal injury they were unaware of. That would actually I think it would be highly likely that injury would occur while in transit. It isn't likely they were handling him like a head, neck, or back injury.
 
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Another runner with a record.

STOP running and resisting!

Perhaps they should hire more physically fit cops so they don't have to rely on excessive uses of force to get their point across. You know, like that fat cop in Florida who tazed that girl because he had no hope of catching her, the one who smacked her head on the pavement and died?
 
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Here's the post I responded to: "Got anything to back that up? Are you seriously alleging that over 4,500 people have been killed by police in the last 10 years?"

Math tells me that 400/year x 10 years = 4,000 in 10 years. This is the absolute minimum and known to undercount police deadly shootings.

More reasonable estimates range from about 600-1,000 deadly shootings per year. Over 10 years, the total death toll FAR exceeds 4,500, which was the question posed and answered by me.

In 2012, according to the CDC, 140 blacks were killed by police. That same year 386 whites were killed by police so the 400 number is for all deaths at the hands of cops. That means that a Black man being killed by cops every 28 hours is false. the number in 2013 was every 63 hours and most of those in the hours of darkness when it's very hard to see if the resisting punk is armed or not. The number for the poor misunderstood and mistreated white boys was 22 hours.
 
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Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

Another man dead at the hands of police.

The police also have video of the arrest that has not been made public yet. Will be interesting to see the entire incident.

I have noticed you starting a fair number of these 'bad cops' threads?


I just see cops as people. Some are good, some are bad.

You seem to be fixating on the bad for some reason.
 
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In 2012, according to the CDC, 140 blacks were killed by police. That same year 386 whites were killed by police so the 400 number is for all deaths at the hands of cops. That means that a Black man being killed by cops every 28 hours is false. the number in 2013 was every 63 hours and most of those in the hours of darkness when it's very hard to see if the resisting punk is armed or not. The number for the poor misunderstood and mistreated white boys was 22 hours.

I'm not sure what your point is but the numbers are clearly higher than the official 400, and if you follow the links, the actual number looks to be 2.5 times the official number and closer to 1,000/year or a deadly shooting of someone (white, black, hispanic, other) about every 8 hours.

most of those in the hours of darkness when it's very hard to see if the resisting punk is armed or not.

Just curious, if the cop can't tell if the "punk" is armed, the correct rules of engagement are to kill the "punk"?
 
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Oh, "THEY" sampled their own group of news stories to extrapolate from...Well, that should settle it....:roll:

Swallow the turd, jMac. You're on the wrong side of this argument. We all like and approve of a good Police Force. Cops are as important as teachers. Their job is deterrence and that can be just the visibility of a Police Car, or the presence of an Officer for crowd control. They're not targets being killed willy-nilly but they do seem to be killing willy-nilly. The numbers are not debateable, nor incorrect. Even if you don't like them, they are real.
 
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You seem to be fixating on the bad for some reason.

Likely due to the immense damage bad cops can cause, the deaths they cause, and how they negatively effect police/community relationships. Bad government cannot be permitted to continue being bad, it has to be corrected.
 
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Well, he started running, was arrested and transported and now he is dead. It must have happened between when he started running and was in the hands of medical professionals. When and how is what a police investigation hopefully will find out.

Undoubtedly
 
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Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

Another man dead at the hands of police.

The police also have video of the arrest that has not been made public yet. Will be interesting to see the entire incident.

Another puppet dancing to the tune of "The system is broken we must tear it down and replace it" Never stopping to ask "Replace it with what?"
 
Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

Actually, the original claim was, "More USA people were killed by Police in the last 10 years than were killed in the Iraq War." And that's true.

And the relevant point to me is we're immune as a country to about 3 deadly police shootings every day. The vast majority are justified, but the numbers are a pretty good indication about the militarization of the police in this country. And the numbers are steady, despite decreases in underlying crime that have been going on for decades.

Justifiable homicide by police average about 400 per years. In 2012 there were over 12 million arrests and just over 400 deaths.

Fatal police shootings occur in tiny percentage of arrests in U.S., Milwaukee's police chief says | PolitiFact Wisconsin
 
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Perhaps they should hire more physically fit cops so they don't have to rely on excessive uses of force to get their point across. You know, like that fat cop in Florida who tazed that girl because he had no hope of catching her, the one who smacked her head on the pavement and died?

These cops looked pretty fit. They were riding bicycles.
 
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I have noticed you starting a fair number of these 'bad cops' threads?


I just see cops as people. Some are good, some are bad.

You seem to be fixating on the bad for some reason.

I would say most are good and a few are bad, however the culture that exists, which I am familiar with has little if any mechanism for weeding out the bad. I know several police officers and it may surprise you to know they all support body cameras and greater accountability. They have all confided that they have seen others do things that could be classified as "unnecessary to illegal", but to "rat" out a fellow police officer is to make yourself a pariah within your department. You risk your job and in some cases your safety. Body cameras would help weed out bad cops and protect the good ones. It would also discourage "bad" cops from wanting to become cops.

So yes, I have started several threads on abuse by police. My hope is a call for change in police culture, training and tactics.
 
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Justifiable homicide by police average about 400 per years. In 2012 there were over 12 million arrests and just over 400 deaths.

Fatal police shootings occur in tiny percentage of arrests in U.S., Milwaukee's police chief says | PolitiFact Wisconsin

If you followed any of the various links, you know that number (400) is KNOWN to understate the total. The actual death toll from police shootings is closer to 1,000. I've provided the links.

The equivalent number per capita in the UK is 18 per year.

FWIW, the number of arrests is just another symptom of our IMO broken system, as is the fact we have more prisoners and more prisoners per capita than any country on the planet. We're at 700, France - 100, UK - 150, etc. per 100,000.
 
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Another puppet dancing to the tune of "The system is broken we must tear it down and replace it" Never stopping to ask "Replace it with what?"

Another strawman.....*sigh*

Want to debate the topic? Cool, I'll be waiting.
 
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Another strawman.....*sigh*

Want to debate the topic? Cool, I'll be waiting.

Your topic starts from the premise cops are terrible.
 
Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

If you followed any of the various links, you know that number (400) is KNOWN to understate the total. The actual death toll from police shootings is closer to 1,000. I've provided the links.

The equivalent number per capita in the UK is 18 per year.

FWIW, the number of arrests is just another symptom of our IMO broken system, as is the fact we have more prisoners and more prisoners per capita than any country on the planet. We're at 700, France - 100, UK - 150, etc. per 100,000.

what that like .01%?

The vast majority of those killed did something stupid at the wrong time rather than simply comply.
 
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These cops looked pretty fit. They were riding bicycles.

Then there's no reason a skinny guy like that should have suffered such a devastating neck injury while in police custody, barring a suicide attempt off the top bunk.
 
Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

Justifiable homicide by police average about 400 per years. In 2012 there were over 12 million arrests and just over 400 deaths.

Fatal police shootings occur in tiny percentage of arrests in U.S., Milwaukee's police chief says | PolitiFact Wisconsin

It's utterly absurd to compare arrests to fatal shootings, as if the number 12 million somehow makes the killing, manslaughter and murder of suspects ok. Do some of them deserve it, yep, I'm not arguing those, but there are too many that aren't justified and until the last few years when virtually everyone has a camera, most of these would not only have not been reported, but, like in the Walter Scott case we would have been lead to believe that he was shot because he tried to use a taser on the officer, which, of course we know, thanks to the video, is a lie.

Furthermore, how many other cases of police abuse of power, injury and death occur that don't involve a a suspect killed by a gun?

The culture has changed from the early 90's when I went to school to be a police officer and spent almost a year doing ride-a-longs with police and I saw a lot in my time working beside the police. Today police are being more preemptive, they way that carry themselves is to be intimidating. They are in many places being trained to see the people in the areas they patrol as the enemy. Few are trained in negotiation and how to defuse a situations and they often believe that because they are the authority that they can walk into emotionally charged situations and everyone should just do what they say without question. To expect this is to fundamentally misunderstand human nature and guarantee the kinds of results that are played out almost daily.
 
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Your topic starts from the premise cops are terrible.

Let's see, I said;

Another man dead at the hands of police.

This is a factual statement that makes no claims about the good or badness of police. Given the recent rash of questionable uses of force by police made public, I think the word "another" is justified.

The police also have video of the arrest that has not been made public yet. Will be interesting to see the entire incident.

This statement points out there is more video and does not draw a conclusion about what the video will contain.

At the risk of being snarky, reading is fundamental, next time just ask how I feel about police and I'd be happy to tell you.
 
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