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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So how does that even come close to beefheart's claim of 4500?
    Here's the post I responded to: "Got anything to back that up? Are you seriously alleging that over 4,500 people have been killed by police in the last 10 years?"

    Math tells me that 400/year x 10 years = 4,000 in 10 years. This is the absolute minimum and known to undercount police deadly shootings.

    More reasonable estimates range from about 600-1,000 deadly shootings per year. Over 10 years, the total death toll FAR exceeds 4,500, which was the question posed and answered by me.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It says here that he was arrested with incidence.

    Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Maybe the other prisoner caused the injuries? IIRC cops don't ride in the back of the van.
    That is a fact often overlooked by people. Hell most may not know unless they serve on a jury.

    Had a prisoner get shanked to death a while back because of something. The prisoner stabbed the guy like 40 times because the guards couldn't open the back and stop it. They aren't allowed to stop in transit and they aren't allowed in the back.

    Someone's head probably rolled from that. Stupid policy. But a logical one too.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Here's the post I responded to: "Got anything to back that up? Are you seriously alleging that over 4,500 people have been killed by police in the last 10 years?"

    Math tells me that 400/year x 10 years = 4,000 in 10 years. This is the absolute minimum and known to undercount police deadly shootings.

    More reasonable estimates range from about 600-1,000 deadly shootings per year. Over 10 years, the total death toll FAR exceeds 4,500, which was the question posed and answered by me.
    Ok, but, and I may be wrong, but the original quote from beefheart was claiming that more people were killed last year by cops than in the war in Iraq...I could be wrong...But even if that is the case, surely we have multiples of people here in America than was involved in the war, so the stats would not be a fair comparison.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, but, and I may be wrong, but the original quote from beefheart was claiming that more people were killed last year by cops than in the war in Iraq...I could be wrong...But even if that is the case, surely we have multiples of people here in America than was involved in the war, so the stats would not be a fair comparison.
    Actually, the original claim was, "More USA people were killed by Police in the last 10 years than were killed in the Iraq War." And that's true.

    And the relevant point to me is we're immune as a country to about 3 deadly police shootings every day. The vast majority are justified, but the numbers are a pretty good indication about the militarization of the police in this country. And the numbers are steady, despite decreases in underlying crime that have been going on for decades.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am sensing a pattern in your posts....What do you have against law and order?

    What if I told you that you can be against police brutality and also be for law and order? The two are not mutually exclusive entities of each other.

    I know, it's crazy right?

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    That is a fact often overlooked by people. Hell most may not know unless they serve on a jury.

    Had a prisoner get shanked to death a while back because of something. The prisoner stabbed the guy like 40 times because the guards couldn't open the back and stop it. They aren't allowed to stop in transit and they aren't allowed in the back.

    Someone's head probably rolled from that. Stupid policy. But a logical one too.
    Yeah I've been thinking it's possible that the other prisoner in the back had something to do with it, but then I would imagine that there are cameras pointed back there...

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Got anything to back that up? Are you seriously alleging that over 4,500 people have been killed by police in the last 10 years?
    Yes! Lots more than 4,500.< Another (Much Higher) Count Of Homicides By Police | FiveThirtyEight >

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Actually, the original claim was, "More USA people were killed by Police in the last 10 years than were killed in the Iraq War." And that's true.

    And the relevant point to me is we're immune as a country to about 3 deadly police shootings every day. The vast majority are justified, but the numbers are a pretty good indication about the militarization of the police in this country. And the numbers are steady, despite decreases in underlying crime that have been going on for decades.
    Really, We have a population of over 310 million, and you say 3 deadly shootings, that you yourself admit most are justified, is a good indicator that something is wrong with police? I'd say that is remarkably low....
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Oh, "THEY" sampled their own group of news stories to extrapolate from...Well, that should settle it....
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really, We have a population of over 310 million, and you say 3 deadly shootings, that you yourself admit most are justified, is a good indicator that something is wrong with police? I'd say that is remarkably low....
    3 per day is remarkable LOW?

    OK....

    Just curious, what number would you consider HIGH? As a comparison, there are about 55 million people in England and Wales. So let's call it one sixth the population of the U.S. In the average year, the police there kill THREE people - in a year. On a similar per capita basis, that equates to 18 per year in the U.S. But we actually kill 1,000, which is in your view 'remarkably low'......

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