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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    He was running around before the rest.

    Afterwards...not so much.

    Pretty easy to figure out.
    That's not proof of anything other than your desire to want the situation to be the fault of police so that you can continue to tie their hands.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    He looked pretty immobile and was screaming as they put him in the van. I can't imagine he caused much of a ruckus on the way to jail.
    Well, he started running, was arrested and transported and now he is dead. It must have happened between when he started running and was in the hands of medical professionals. When and how is what a police investigation hopefully will find out.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But it is a dumb thing to do knowing how the police sometimes reacts.
    Of course. The question is, why once restrained an in custody, why did the man end up with a nearly severed spine?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What the hell is wrong with you dude? Having to prove to you that there is widespread abuse in American police forces across the country is like having to prove to you that the earth isn't flat. Now, since your partisan mind can't handle anything from a liberal source, I'll give you what you like.

    Seven Reasons Police Brutality Is Systemic, Not Anecdotal | The American Conservative
    Good clip Monte, but first, just a funny side note. You realize that you just validated the claim about you I made that you responded to right?

    Now, as to the story from the American Conservative....I suspect you failed to read this part...I'll bold it for you...

    "These stories are a small selection of recent police brutality reports, as police misconduct has become a fixture of the news cycle.

    But the plural of anecdote is not data, and the media is inevitably drawn toward tales of conflict. Despite the increasing frequency with which we hear of misbehaving cops, many Americans maintain a default respect for the man in uniform. As an NYPD assistant chief put it, “We don’t want a few bad apples or a few rogue cops damaging” the police’s good name."

    Now I know the article goes on to dispute what NYPD's assistant chief says, and I agree that departments that have problems should absolutely go forward to solve these problems, but to throw up your hands and say, or imply that ALL cops, (not that you did that) are corrupt is just silly, and leads to a rational person saying what do you want, no police?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Fantastic and in depth response. Really something to think about here.



    I'm not the judge in this case. I haven't discarded anything (another strawman) I'm allowed to speculate. Furthermore there are lots of cases where cops get off, where, if they had been held to the same standard as the general public they would have been prosecuted. Acquitting a person for murder may make him innocent in the eyes of the law, but it does not mean they are actually innocent.

    Save the personal ad hom's buddy...They're quite boring.

    It's not an ad hominem if it's true. Sorry.
    And Opinions are like assholes, yours ain't roses, sorry.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    I grew up in Medford Mass right across the river from South Boston (southie), Dorchester and Fall river, So I've seen it.
    Ah, so, imagine these areas with no police....wouldn't it be wonderful?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Of course. The question is, why once restrained an in custody, why did the man end up with a nearly severed spine?
    And for that we first need to await the results of the investigation and until they, all parties are innocent until that investigation proves otherwise IMHO.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Apparently.

    How many police shootings a year? No one knows - The Washington Post

    Bottom line is there are no good stats because no one is required to report police shootings. But the estimates range from about 400/year (which they know is low because it excludes a bunch of police departments) to over 1,000/year. Here's one effort to count fatal shootings:



    Here's another effort, more recent - Another (Much Higher) Count Of Homicides By Police | FiveThirtyEight



    That effort compiles all deaths, and includes a few cases of officers acting outside their duties - e.g. drunk driving after work, deadly crash.

    BTW, here's the link for 2015. Killed By Police - 2015 Total through April 22 is 356.
    So how does that even come close to beefheart's claim of 4500?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good clip Monte, but first, just a funny side note. You realize that you just validated the claim about you I made that you responded to right?

    Now, as to the story from the American Conservative....I suspect you failed to read this part...I'll bold it for you...

    "These stories are a small selection of recent police brutality reports, as police misconduct has become a fixture of the news cycle.

    But the plural of anecdote is not data, and the media is inevitably drawn toward tales of conflict. Despite the increasing frequency with which we hear of misbehaving cops, many Americans maintain a default respect for the man in uniform. As an NYPD assistant chief put it, “We don’t want a few bad apples or a few rogue cops damaging” the police’s good name."

    Now I know the article goes on to dispute what NYPD's assistant chief says, and I agree that departments that have problems should absolutely go forward to solve these problems, but to throw up your hands and say, or imply that ALL cops, (not that you did that) are corrupt is just silly, and leads to a rational person saying what do you want, no police?
    Who pray-tell has thrown up their hands and said that all cops are bad. Those of us complaining about corruption, abuse and excess want the corruption, abuse and excess expunged from the countries police forces, not the countries police forces expunged. Try to follow along.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Who pray-tell has thrown up their hands and said that all cops are bad. Those of us complaining about corruption, abuse and excess want the corruption, abuse and excess expunged from the countries police forces, not the countries police forces expunged. Try to follow along.
    Oh, I am following, but so far all you have are bumper sticker responses...Can you tell us how you want this supposed ingrained corruption expunged?

    And don't just go back to the article you gave me, that's lazy, give me your solutions.
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