Thread: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

Originally Posted by beefheart

All I did was point out the facts as we know them, he was able to walk and run. Cops caught him, and he couldn't, and he died.

Which in and of it self means nothing. It means something happened.

Originally Posted by Peter King

Stupid to run? Yes, you are right. But that does not excuse all these deaths nor does it mean police officers have to stop doing their job properly.

Also, this injury seems to have occurred after arrest, but the investigation is still in it's early days, so the police officers should have the luxury of innocent until proven otherwise. For all we know he fell down and hurt his neck in that manner, which would make it nothing more than an accident. The only thing you could hold the police accountable for might be not calling an ambulance/paramedics in time to prevent the death.

Well said. There are some weird rules on calling an ambulance too.

Originally Posted by beefheart

Yeah we do, blunt force trauma. And it happened between the time he was arrested and the time he got to the station.

Looks like he was severely injured before he got in the van.

FWIW, they picked up another individual in route.

Originally Posted by WCH

Looks like he was severely injured before he got in the van.

FWIW, they picked up another individual in route.

So he could have been injured in a scuffle?

Spinal injuries are tricky tricky. You have to immobilize to prevent greater injury. If something goes unnoticed...it could be bad.

Originally Posted by Peter King

Stupid to run? Yes, you are right. But that does not excuse all these deaths nor does it mean police officers have to stop doing their job properly.

Also, this injury seems to have occurred after arrest, but the investigation is still in it's early days, so the police officers should have the luxury of innocent until proven otherwise. For all we know he fell down and hurt his neck in that manner, which would make it nothing more than an accident. The only thing you could hold the police accountable for might be not calling an ambulance/paramedics in time to prevent the death.

He looked pretty immobile and was screaming as they put him in the van. I can't imagine he caused much of a ruckus on the way to jail.

Originally Posted by stonewall50

So he could have been injured in a scuffle?

Spinal injuries are tricky tricky. You have to immobilize to prevent greater injury. If something goes unnoticed...it could be bad.

Getting tackled on pavement by four cops can cause some bad injuries.

I totally agree with your thoughts on spinal injuries.

Originally Posted by stonewall50

So he could have been injured in a scuffle?

Spinal injuries are tricky tricky. You have to immobilize to prevent greater injury. If something goes unnoticed...it could be bad.

It says here that he was arrested with incidence.

Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

Maybe the other prisoner caused the injuries? IIRC cops don't ride in the back of the van.

Originally Posted by Iron River

In the video of the punk's arrest he was in pain and couldn't use his legs so he may have been hurt at that time or already hurt before he was arrested. I guess we will learn what happened to this vine dem citizen.. Why do liberals love these worthless punks so much??

Maybe some folk believe in limited and constrained government. And being suspected of a crime cannot be considered a death sentence.

Originally Posted by countryboy

Got anything to back that up? Are you seriously alleging that over 4,500 people have been killed by police in the last 10 years?

Apparently.

How many police shootings a year? No one knows - The Washington Post

Bottom line is there are no good stats because no one is required to report police shootings. But the estimates range from about 400/year (which they know is low because it excludes a bunch of police departments) to over 1,000/year. Here's one effort to count fatal shootings:

In 2011, he scoured the Internet several times a day every day, compiling a database of every officer-involved shooting he could find. Ultimately, he tracked 1,146 shootings by police officers, 607 of them fatal shootings.

Here's another effort, more recent - Another (Much Higher) Count Of Homicides By Police | FiveThirtyEight

But one recent effort stood out for its apparent comprehensiveness: The Killed By Police Facebook page, which aggregates links to news articles on police-related killings and keeps a running tally on the number of victims. The creator of the page does not seek to determine whether police killings are justifiable; each post “merely documents the occurrence of a death.” He told FiveThirtyEight that he was an instructor on nonviolent physical-intervention techniques and that he prefers to remain anonymous.

Killed by Police had listed more than 1,450 deaths caused by law-enforcement officers since its launch, on May 1, 2013, through Sunday. That works out to about three per day, or 1,100 a year.

That effort compiles all deaths, and includes a few cases of officers acting outside their duties - e.g. drunk driving after work, deadly crash.

BTW, here's the link for 2015. Killed By Police - 2015 Total through April 22 is 356.