Page 45 of 49 FirstFirst ... 354344454647 ... LastLast
Results 441 to 450 of 484

Thread: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

  1. #441
    Professor

    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Seen
    02-18-17 @ 10:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    1,828

    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Sounds like the case against the cops is beginning to disintegrate. Reports are coming out that an investigation of the knife has revealed that it was indeed illegal, making the arrest illegal. The cops did indeed attempt to get medical help for Gray but there was some kind of confusion. The charges against the driver are being revealed to be completely baseless and it appears that the ME was pressured into calling the death a homicide. Store owners in Baltimore need t start boarding up their doors and windows

  2. #442
    Professor

    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Seen
    02-18-17 @ 10:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    1,828

    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Ouch. The state prosecutor hired an independent investigator to investigate the alleged crime. Turns out the investigator was a former police officer who was stripped of his command for bungling and investigation and not too long ago was tased by Baltimore police officers for some type of disturbing behavior on his part

  3. #443
    better late than pregnant
    Gonzo Rodeo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Here
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:05 AM
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    3,920

    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    You're free to believe that, but I would still prefer not to be belted in giving myself a far better chance in the event of an emergency
    A far better chance of what? Getting out of the locked cage?

    No. The idea that someone is "safer" in the back of a vehicle without being buckled in - especially without the use of one's hands - is ludicrous. Attempting to remove blame from the officers like this is just dishonest and cruel.
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
    ~Orwell, Politics and the English Language

  4. #444
    Professor

    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Seen
    02-18-17 @ 10:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    1,828

    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    A far better chance of what? Getting out of the locked cage?
    Yes

    No. The idea that someone is "safer" in the back of a vehicle without being buckled in - especially without the use of one's hands - is ludicrous. Attempting to remove blame from the officers like this is just dishonest and cruel.
    I hate to tell you but we survived many thousands of miles without ever being buckled in, back in the day

  5. #445
    better late than pregnant
    Gonzo Rodeo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Here
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:05 AM
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    3,920

    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Yes

    I hate to tell you but we survived many thousands of miles without ever being buckled in, back in the day
    Were your hands tied behind your back as well?

    I still find it ludicrous that you actually believe the only thing keeping someone from breaking out of a police transport vehicle is the handcuffs. I mean, come on, you don't really believe that. Do you?
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
    ~Orwell, Politics and the English Language

  6. #446
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:02 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,675

    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    With that, I'm out.
    You were out long before that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    As I said before, there were only two occasions where Freddie Gray's neck injury could have been self-inflicted per the established timeline:

    1) The initial 7 minutes between 8:39 and 8:46 prior to being shackled; and,

    2) The 25 minutes from 8:39 - 9:24 en route to the police precinct.

    Considering that there was no witnesses to hear him banging his head against the wall during the initial 7 minutes, I think it's safe to say the alleged head banging had to have taken place between 8:59 and 9:24.

    According to the timeline (and the preliminary investigation report):



    Granted, Gray was able to speak to police on the scene at the third stop reported at 8:59 and it's at this point where Gray would have been able to bang his head against the wall AND be heard/observed by Donte Allen, the 2nd detainee. But by the fourth stop (which doesn't have a time stamp), he's found to be "unresponsive on the floor" and is "no longer breathing". How long was it between the time Donte Allen was picked up and the police found Gray to be unresponsive on the floor and not breathing? That's the question that needs to be answered. Furthermore, if Gray's neck injury did take place at 8:54 per the timeline - at least 5 minutes before the 4th stop - it's highly unlikely he'd be able to bang his head against the wall at all at this point.

    It will be interesting to see how this all plays out because I don't think this case is as cut-and-dry as some folks believe. There are questions that need to be answered. If it turns out that Gray did injure himself because he was throwing a hissy fit in the back of the van, then Baltimore, MD and the nation gets to close the book on another "thug" who in the minds of many "got what he deserved" and those who believed he was wrong from the beginning will get to say, "See, I told you it was his own damned fault". But if it turns out to be negligence on the part of the Baltimore PD, maybe this case will prompt them to amend their detainee security and transport safety procedures (again, as necessary).
    And you were wrong and it was shown why you were wrong.

    The occurrences in the timeline you use is not supported by the evidence that has been revealed to us.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  7. #447
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:53 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    29,117

    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No, not at all. Do you live in Baltimore? I dont. And yet we both seem interested in the outcome and are part of the public that is kept in mind.
    Come on Lursa, I answered that little attempt from you to disqualify my POV on this situation....I will further state, I have family on my wife's side, along with nieces and nephews, great nieces and nephews that live in that city....Face it, Balto has been under demo control for the better part of the last century, and these policies are responsible for what is going on there, yet they, and YOU still try and blame someone, or something else....
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  8. #448
    Professor

    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Seen
    02-18-17 @ 10:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    1,828

    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Were your hands tied behind your back as well?

    I still find it ludicrous that you actually believe the only thing keeping someone from breaking out of a police transport vehicle is the handcuffs. I mean, come on, you don't really believe that. Do you?
    Bottom line, you prefer to passively sit and wait for others to come to your aid while I would prefer to have the opportunity to help myself. Wouldn't you know that exemplifies the difference between conservatism and liberalism?

  9. #449
    better late than pregnant
    Gonzo Rodeo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Here
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:05 AM
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    3,920

    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Bottom line, you prefer to passively sit and wait for others to come to your aid while I would prefer to have the opportunity to help myself. Wouldn't you know that exemplifies the difference between conservatism and liberalism?
    You would still be waiting in the back of a locked cage. The seatbelt changes nothing except the level of danger you are subjected to during the ride.
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
    ~Orwell, Politics and the English Language

  10. #450
    Professor

    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Seen
    02-18-17 @ 10:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    1,828

    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    You would still be waiting in the back of a locked cage. The seatbelt changes nothing except the level of danger you are subjected to during the ride.
    That's your opinion and demonstrates your willingness to put your trust in someone else for your well being. I happen to hold a different perspective

Page 45 of 49 FirstFirst ... 354344454647 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •