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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    REal lawyer takes incompetent DA to the woodshed.
    Freddie Gray | Unlawful Arrest | Probable Cause

    This has the smell of that Duke lacrosee case where the DA got intimidated by the nitwit minority community,

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not at all. I don't ignore it, I disagree with it. But I'm glad to see you fall back on that considering that the knife wasn't the cause that gave chase.
    They didn't need any cause. His running was the cause.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The knife was found after they caught him, No probable cause mr apologist.
    What is it about the SCOTUS ruling you're failing to get? The chase was legal.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    REal lawyer takes incompetent DA to the woodshed.
    Freddie Gray | Unlawful Arrest | Probable Cause

    This has the smell of that Duke lacrosee case where the DA got intimidated by the nitwit minority community,
    None of that is relevant to probable cause since I have not read anywhere that the police were aware of the knife before they chose to chase and detain him. Unless they did know of it?
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What is it about the SCOTUS ruling you're failing to get? The chase was legal.
    There are other rulings and many circumstances re: probable cause. There's a very good chance that that one will not play when all circumstances are examined in court. It's certainly not the only ruling on the legitimacy of probable cause. It's one of the more 'flexible' ones due to so many variables and often manipulated.

    Again, the case will get very intense legal scrutiny because of the publicity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The knife was found after they caught him, No probable cause mr apologist.
    1. I provide accurate information, which is not being an apologist.
    Saying such is just an indication of your own bias.

    2. Your reply reveals that you do not know what you are talking about and haven't paid attention to the information provided.

    It doesn't matter that is came after.

    Lets walk through this. Again!

    They had "reasonable suspicion" to give chase and detain.
    They are allowed to search while he was detained.

    That search produced an illegal weapon.
    That weapon gave them "probable cause" to arrest. Period.


    Even if the weapon hadn't been illegal (which it is) and they were simply mistaken in believing it to be, that mistake is still a good faith belief that it violated the law and still provided the necessary probable cause to arrest. Probable cause can still be based on a mistaken belief.
    Do you or do you not understand this?




    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    REal lawyer takes incompetent DA to the woodshed.
    Freddie Gray | Unlawful Arrest | Probable Cause

    This has the smell of that Duke lacrosee case where the DA got intimidated by the nitwit minority community,
    Fmr Deputy Baltimore State’s Atty: Mosby’s Police Charges ‘Incompetent at Best’







    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa​ View Post
    None of that is relevant to probable cause since I have not read anywhere that the police were aware of the knife before they chose to chase and detain him. Unless they did know of it?

    They didn't need to be aware of the knife prior to giving chase.
    They had reasonable suspicion after seeing what appeared to be a drug transaction.





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    Rough ride lawsuits echo Freddie Gray case - CNN.com

    "They would slam on their brakes like every thousand feet, and to make sure that we slammed into something in the back," he said, recalling the night in 2012 that Baltimore police showed up at his house after a noise complaint.

    The situation escalated quickly, according to court documents, and he and his wife, Chrissy Abbott, ended up on the ground, cuffed, headed for the back of a police wagon just like the one that transported Freddie Gray before he died.


    "They throw you in and it's dark in there and so you can't really see anything," he said. "...I would hear Chrissy from the other side, slamming into the wall and just crying out."
    She was on the other side of a metal partition.


    "Every time he broke or hit on the brakes, I would slam forward and then he'd start driving again, slam back the other way," Abbott said. "I felt less than human, the way they treated you."



    And?
    Totally irrelevant to this van ride, as there is no evidence that it was a "rough/nickle ride". Only evidence of the opposite. A smooth ride.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    The reason you gave for not being belted in is freedom to escape an emergency. You cite the handcuffs as additional reason for NOT being belted in, since a person wouldn't be able to free themselves from the seatbelt in case if an emergency.

    This line of thought completely ignored the fact of this person being locked in the back of a van, unable to escape an emergency anyway.

    Surely, you see the pointless nature of that argument, right?
    Like I said, it's a double whammy. The detainee would have a better chance of escape from a fire for instance if not belted in.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Like I said, it's a double whammy. The detainee would have a better chance of escape from a fire for instance if not belted in.
    You really think not being handcuffed makes them able to escape a locked police transport vehicle? That's what you're going with?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    You really think not being handcuffed makes them able to escape a locked police transport vehicle? That's what you're going with?
    I don't recall saying anything about handcuffs

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    I don't recall saying anything about handcuffs
    Post #375. Thanks for playing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Frankly speaking, if I was riding in the back of a van with my hands cuffed behind my back, I would not want to be buckled in. If there is an emergency, I would be unable to unbuckle myself
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