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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    On a sidenote, I had a discussion with a parent on my kid's soccer team. He happens to be a black police officer.

    He said that when he decided to become a cop, much of his family stopped speaking to him. He said joining the police force in the black community is "selling out to the other side."

    He said white cops aren't accepted in the black community, and black cops are considered to be traitors.

    That says a ton.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    If there was an emergency, and you had no way of breaking your fall because your hands were tied behind your back, it's likely already too late for you.
    If the emergency happened to be a fire, I wouldn't need to break any fall. I would need to unbuckle my seat belt

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1. High crime area, and eye contact are the SCOTUS benchmarks...I know you hate that, but that is what the law is.
    2. You have no idea what warrants were out on him, or not. Hell, you have shown you don't even know which black criminal you are discussing.



    You've already been proven wrong on that...Your disagreement is with the Supreme Court...



    I believe that selling drugs IS a violence against the community, Here is Freddie's rap sheet....AGAIN...

    March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
    January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
    January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
    December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
    December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
    January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
    September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
    April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
    July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
    March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
    February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
    August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
    August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

    So, as we see here not only was Freddie Gray a Drug dealer, liar, and a thief, but YOU Lursa are wrong on nearly every word you're typing in here...Now, it has become so easy to bat down your own falsehoods in here, you're begining to bore me....Come on...Get with the program here, I mean, it's not like your claims are not able to be verified or anything....
    The left sure does pick odd heroes

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    The left sure does pick odd heroes
    Yeah they do....We'll see if they have the stones to come into the other thread I just started on Officer Moore in NYC that just died Saturday, and continue with their "No probable cause" Crap!
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Slipping and falling while banging your head still is the result of your own actions.
    How so?

    I could understand if Freddie Gray was walking around in the back of the van which is possible since he wasn't secured in his seat at any point during transit. But such a slip and fall wouldn't be the same as intentionally trying to injury yourself. That would be called an accidental injury since he had no intentions to bring about such serve harm to himself. Let's look at the evidence and see the errors of your claim.

    8:46:12 a.m. — The van makes its first stop. Rice, Nero and Miller remove Gray from the wagon, put flexcuffs on his wrists and shackles on his ankles and complete paperwork. They then put Gray on his stomach, head-first on the van floor.
    So, Freddie Gray is restrained but not secured in the van. He's placed on his stomach, face down and head-first into the van in a confined space. How does he "bang his head against the wall" if he's laying face-down on his stomach on the floor? Rather difficult to do wouldn't you think?

    8:59 a.m. — Van makes third stop. Goodson asks for an additional unit to check on Gray. Officer William Porter and Goodson check on Gray. Gray asks for help, says he can't breathe and asks twice for a medic. Porter helps Gray onto the bench.
    At this point you could claim that Freddie Gray was banging his head against the wall of the van, but that would contradict Donte Allen's claim of "4-seconds of a little banging". In any case, we know for sure that Freddie Gray was in an up-right position for only the second time during transit: The first time being when he was initially arrested and only for approximately 3 minutes with no "ear witness" to hear him other than the police riding in the van; the second as indicated above. So, how does his position change from being head-first in the van to ending up feet-first especially if it was a smooth ride from the point Donte Allen became detainee #2 to the time the van reaches the police station?

    It's reasonable to conclude that there were only two occasions where Freddie Gray had the opportunity to bang his head against the wall:

    1) when he was first put in the van.

    2) when he was picked up off the floor by Officer Porter who helped Freddie Gray unto the bench.

    The only way Freddie Gray's head and neck injuries could possibly be "self-inflicted" is if he stood up on his own after not having been secured to the bench and he somehow fell hitting his head on the bolt. There are only two possible explanations for him falling:

    1) He tripped and fall off balance of his own accord; or,

    2) He slipped and fell from a not so smooth/rough ride.

    But in either case, the Baltimore PD would still be found to be negligent since they had at least one opportunity to secure Freddie Gray to the bench seat without concern for officer safety since at least one cop was willing to help him unto the bench without requiring assistance from his fellow police officers. Officer Porter wasn't affraid to go in alone at this point. Therefore, it could be reasonable to conclude that he was no longer concerned for his safety. So, why not secure Gray to the bench seat at this point?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OMG! Nobody got shot here....You don't even know which case you are arguing against cops for do you? You've just shown that it doesn't matter to you, that you are against police regardless of the situation....Nice going.
    Of course I do, it was a reference to the SC shooting, using it to show the irony of your statement.

    And I am not remotely against cops. I supported the Ferguson cop from the beginning. So...still wrong! lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1. High crime area, and eye contact are the SCOTUS benchmarks...I know you hate that, but that is what the law is.
    2. You have no idea what warrants were out on him, or not. Hell, you have shown you don't even know which black criminal you are discussing.



    You've already been proven wrong on that...Your disagreement is with the Supreme Court...



    I believe that selling drugs IS a violence against the community, Here is Freddie's rap sheet....AGAIN...

    March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
    January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
    January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
    December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
    December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
    January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
    September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
    April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
    July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
    March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
    February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
    August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
    August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

    So, as we see here not only was Freddie Gray a Drug dealer, liar, and a thief, but YOU Lursa are wrong on nearly every word you're typing in here...Now, it has become so easy to bat down your own falsehoods in here, you're begining to bore me....Come on...Get with the program here, I mean, it's not like your claims are not able to be verified or anything....
    Oh please. And I wasnt wrong....I said I didnt remember if any were violent offenses...and none were...your fearful opinion notwithstanding.

    There was no probable cause (they didnt know his record when they 'made eye contact' with him ) and that will be examined closely in upcoming court proceedings.

    And the entirety of the stop will be what is examined closely. Not just a couple of points...let's face it....the guy died in their custody. If they cant absolutely prove they had reason to stop him, they are done. It wont hang on that SCOTUS decision alone....there is plenty of other precedent to counter it with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    The left sure does pick odd heroes
    And it's sad that some minds are so rigidly locked that they cant conceive that defending people's rights and the Constitution applies to everyone, even street skells. That they cant comprehend people defending actual principles over personal bias.

    No one sees this guy as a hero.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    If the emergency happened to be a fire, I wouldn't need to break any fall. I would need to unbuckle my seat belt
    .. and what caused the fire? An accident?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I believe that selling drugs IS a violence against the community, Here is Freddie's rap sheet....AGAIN...

    March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
    January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
    January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
    December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
    December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
    January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
    September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
    April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
    July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
    March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
    February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
    August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
    August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)
    Clearly, Freddie Gray wasn't a Boy Scout nor a Good Samaritan. But he didn't deserve to die over an odd look shared between himself and police officers or possession of a knife which no one has alleged was used in a crime.
    "A fair exchange ain't no robbery." Tupac Shakur w/Digital Underground

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