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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    I don't care if the cops stomped the guys throat until his spine severed the store owners don't deserve the treatment that they are getting.This just shows the general stupidity of the Black community when people come out into the burning streets and tell stories about their brother-in-law being mistreated by the police when he got caught stealing a car - another had a gun planted on him when he was arrested for theft - on and on they tell these stories that prove that there are a lot of are stupid liars out there.

    0bama is the leader of the Black race and he has lied about everything. He even lies about his skills at golf; he reminds me to the last two leaders of North Korea who say that they invented the internet while shooting ten hole in ones. I think the new leader of NK has walked on the moon.

    1977 misguided cops cost me $20K when a lot of people were making $10K a year. didn't set anything on fire, I didn't throw rocks at police cars because I was smart enough to clear myself before I was indicted.I took seven months and truth serum but that cost $1,600 but when it was over I hired a Gypsy to cast spells on the cops. Dam,, maybe I should get that reversed??
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I'm aware. Who would you want to investigate this?
    Well, j-Mac says that the USDOJ has already begun an investigation which is better than leaving it just to the department in question to investigate themselves. I think some European countries have a very good way of dealing with it that I wouldn't mind seeing tried here. The IPCC, Independent Police Complaints Commission. They investigate and review all forms of misconduct by police officers, including violence, human rights abuses, etc. Their tasks are to ensure that complaints about police abuse are investigated in an adequate manner, and in accordance with the law. The mission of such bodies is primarily to ensure public confidence in police.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I laugh at people who say they want an independent investigation. What they really mean, is they want an investigation that finds the cops guilty. If the cops are not found guilty, then the investigator was somehow paid off by the police or the government and another investigation is needed. You could perform 100 investigations, but the only investigation that matters for a lot of you people is an investigation that comes the the conclusion that the cops are guilty.
    Who has said that?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And?
    Things that may have exacerbated the spinal injury are not the reason why the injury may have happened.
    Not being buckled into a vehicle you never wanted to be in in the first place, while restrained and unable to buckle yourself in or break your fall...

    That is called negligence. Passing several opportunities to call paramedics when care was obviously needed trips the scale toward criminal negligence.

    It's pretty open and shut. Gray died in police custody by police actions.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    into a vehicle you never wanted to be in in the first place,
    Just stop with the asininity. His actions put him there.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Not being buckled
    And there may have been a reason for that, such as he wasn't able to sit.
    That does not automatically speak of negligence.


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    It's pretty open and shut.
    Only in your imagination.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Just stop with the asininity. His actions put him there.


    And there may have been a reason for that, such as he wasn't able to sit.
    That does not automatically speak of negligence.


    Only in your imagination.
    Here's the thing though, if he was put into that vehicle by someone else, they are assuming the responsibility for his personal safety at that moment. Yeah, he was being a bonehead and deserved to get arrested... but at the moment he was taken into custody, his personal safety became the job of the police.

    When you add in the stories surfacing of "rough rides", the picture gets a little more grim. There isn't any direct evidence that this is what happened, but we all assume with some confidence the police smash people's heads into car doors while saying "watch your head" all the time. But this is why people sometimes have a problem with the police (or authority in general): abuses of privilege and denial of responsibility can - and do! - lead to accidents that cause real harm, while the general perception is that those who abuse their authority in such ways almost never get into trouble for it.

    The police commissioner intoned that there would be a criminal investigation and a prosecution. I don't know if any conviction will result, but it's a pretty safe bet someone(s) is going to be brought up on charges over this.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    No.
    If his injuries were the result of normal force to quell his resistance that is what matters.
    If that is the case, the Police did no wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    The police commissioner intoned that there would be a criminal investigation and a prosecution. I don't know if any conviction will result, but it's a pretty safe bet someone(s) is going to be brought up on charges over this.
    Which is wrong. You do not assume wrong doing and commit to a prosecution until after the facts are in, and only if the facts point to such wrong doing.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No.
    If his injuries were the result of normal force to quell his resistance that is what matters.
    If that is the case, the Police did no wrong.
    Define "normal force." And there is no indication yet whether his injuries were sustained during or after his arrest... but the commissioner has already publicly stated that officers should have contacted emergency services on several occasions and failed to. That, by itself, is negligent.

    Which is wrong. You do not assume wrong doing and commit to a prosecution until after the facts are in, and only if the facts point to such wrong doing.
    It seems that the facts are already pointing that way, if we're reading the commissioner right.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am sensing a pattern in your posts....What do you have against law and order?
    "Law and order" are fine and dandy, BUT, in todays society, there is more , much more .. and without these (respect for one) we have a police state. We need a balance between tolerance and "law and order" , not one without the other.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Define "normal force." And there is no indication yet whether his injuries were sustained during or after his arrest...
    His limp body is definitely an indication that he was injured during.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    but the commissioner has already publicly stated that officers should have contacted emergency services on several occasions and failed to. That, by itself, is negligent.

    No it is not. That is a commissioner who may be stating something outside of policy/regulation.
    What matters is if policy/regulation was followed. And even if it wasn't that does not mean it contributed to his death. That is what investigations are for.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    It seems that the facts are already pointing that way, if we're reading the commissioner right.
    Wut? iLOL
    You are assuming.
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