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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Really? Your advice is to simply let police search you for being in your own neighborhood (a known drug sales area)? The arrest, as far as I can tell, was for possession of a pocket knife - why is that not a 2A and 4A violation? If during the "arrest process" you can be seriously injured or killed then it would seem foolish not to avoid (resist?) that arrest - not much has been reported about the fate of the other man (reported to be with/near him at the time) also seen running away from police.
    Of course you cooperate. What are you going to do, right then and there? You will lose. You will suffer more, and you'll still be dragged to the police station.

    You think that is a platform for your objections? Please, it's reactive ego, not constructive.

    The time and place for seeing any justice at all is later, reporting it and if necessary, even taking it to the media.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I see them splatter all over the screen as you do.
    And I think we need more "Christian" cops....this is such a heart-warming representation of that religion.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe they were acting suspiciously, maybe they saw the cops and started to run away, that is enough for a chase to ensue. As for why he ended up dead is for the investigation to determine.
    It is? And if it is, with nothing more than that, what is the justification for force if the "suspects" dont just stand there when caught? The chase is 'the cops escalating' the situation, the people running...who may have done nothing wrong...or maybe have unpaid parking tickets or something that made them want to avoid the cops...KNOW the cops will use physical force once they're caught. But the cops are the ones escalating the situation into something more than people that just want to avoid the cops...and THAT is not illegal.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Let him go? Sure, if he or she isnt an immediate danger to the public and you know where to find him or her. Like the man in SC shot in the back. The cop had his car and his address. The man want not a violent offender, he struggled to get away and ran.

    Otherwise you chase them and restrain them like you have been trained. Too scared or dont want to risk injury? Wait for your buddies, get more training, or get another job.

    It depends on the circumstances but SCOTUS and other courts have ruled on the standards for shooting a fleeing suspect. Cops are bound by that. I would give them the benefit of the doubt in many situations when we dont know the details but some cases are pretty clear cut that it was abuse of authority, and even murder.
    But we aren't talking about being shot in this thread, or did I miss that in the op?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It is? And if it is, with nothing more than that, what is the justification for force if the "suspects" dont just stand there when caught? The chase is 'the cops escalating' the situation, the people running...who may have done nothing wrong...or maybe have unpaid parking tickets or something that made them want to avoid the cops...KNOW the cops will use physical force once they're caught. But the cops are the ones escalating the situation into something more than people that just want to avoid the cops...and THAT is not illegal.
    Courts disagree with you.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But we aren't talking about being shot in this thread, or did I miss that in the op?
    The conversation has pretty much expanded to police, resisting arrest, etc.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It is? And if it is, with nothing more than that, what is the justification for force if the "suspects" dont just stand there when caught? The chase is 'the cops escalating' the situation, the people running...who may have done nothing wrong...or maybe have unpaid parking tickets or something that made them want to avoid the cops...KNOW the cops will use physical force once they're caught. But the cops are the ones escalating the situation into something more than people that just want to avoid the cops...and THAT is not illegal.
    It may not be illegal to avoid, but it does give probable cause.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Courts disagree with you.
    Not necessarily. They have to provide some type of probable cause...like really being able to define that 'suspicious activity.'

    Charges of resisting arrest if there was no viable basis for that police chase would likely not hold up in court.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not necessarily. They have to provide some type of probable cause...like really being able to define that 'suspicious activity.'

    Charges of resisting arrest if there was no viable basis for that police chase would likely not hold up in court.
    We disagree. Courts give police wide latitude when it comes to the beat cop v. street punk in arraignment.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We disagree. Courts give police wide latitude when it comes to the beat cop v. street punk in arraignment.
    We do disagree and I said nothing about 'street punks.' That seems to assume a previous record.
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