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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is the crux of the matter. What was the police interest, in that person, before they ran? Of the two "suspects" that ran, why did one end up dead?
    Maybe they were acting suspiciously, maybe they saw the cops and started to run away, that is enough for a chase to ensue. As for why he ended up dead is for the investigation to determine.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    So you are saying that there is NO possible way, and that the evidence eliminates all OTHER possibilities, and the only POSSIBLE conclusion beyond any REASONABLE DOUBT is that the police did it? And that they are at fault.
    No matter how the injury occurred, what we do know is the guy requested medical attention multiple times and was ignored, showed up in medical crisis, and it still took a half hour to call the ambulance to get him to an ER. There can be no one else at fault for ignoring his pleas for medical attention than the people who had him in custody.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    Cultural differences are a *****, huh?
    I guess, but why is anyone OK with one of our "cultural differences" being a police state?

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe they were acting suspiciously, maybe they saw the cops and started to run away, that is enough for a chase to ensue. As for why he ended up dead is for the investigation to determine.
    The court agrees with you but I still do not. Prior to any attempted arrest there should be no resisting of that yet to occur (arrest) event. If one simply sees a police officer and then changes direction then that evasive action alone should not be probable cause or even reasonable suspicion to make an arrest, traffic stop or to conduct a search.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I wasn't insulting you, just being sarcastic because you didn't address any of the comment except to dismiss it. And I've yet to see any notion that you have a problem with a broken system that does have 12 MILLION arrests per year and jails more and more per capita than any nation on the planet.
    By just addressing the raw number of arrests is rather misleading....You'd have to break it down into convictions.

    I don't understand people who can know how the system can make felons out of people guilty of only petty, non violent crimes, dismiss that process, and dismiss deaths resulting from it by blaming any bad consequence on the person whose main 'crime' is being poor and getting caught up in a broken system. It's largely how we HAVE 7 times the people jailed as France and literally are Number ONE! in that category.
    I see, so the person, NOT showing up to court, refusing to pay his fine, and digging himself deeper with every step has NO responsibility when he is ultimately arrested for his ignorance eh? So, should one be able to just ignore the law, or fines if they feel like they can't pay them? Should they just be able to ignore orders to appear in court? You realize you are advocating a break down of the system right? Oh, and your comparison to France is absurd. We have 5 times the population of France.

    And someone above was talking about the problem is a lack of respect for police. OK, in this case the cops detained a guy for suspicion of running, and charged him with having an illegal knife, 1 year in jail and $500 fine. While he's in custody, he repeatedly says he can't breath, asks for an inhaler, requests medical attention over and over while being transported, all those requests ignored, and he shows up at the police station in a coma that he never emerges from. Even then it takes a half hour to call an ambulance and transport him to the hospital. What about that chain of events builds trust in the community?
    Yep, that's a problem. If the person under arrest has a medical issue, he or she should be treated....The police entrusted with the detention, and transport of that individual should be accountable. But, I don't know what injecting the crime, jail time, and fine into that has to do with anything....The standard should apply to all.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The court agrees with you but I still do not. Prior to any attempted arrest there should be no resisting of that yet to occur (arrest) event. If one simply sees a police officer and then changes direction then that evasive action alone should not be probable cause or even reasonable suspicion to make an arrest, traffic stop or to conduct a search.

    Court: Just Running from the Police is a Crime | The Jacksonville Observer
    Ok, we can disagree that's fine....But until the courts reverse the overwhelming myriad of rulings saying that evading, and resisting is unlawful then the law is on my side as you already stated.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No matter how the injury occurred, what we do know is the guy requested medical attention multiple times and was ignored, showed up in medical crisis, and it still took a half hour to call the ambulance to get him to an ER. There can be no one else at fault for ignoring his pleas for medical attention than the people who had him in custody.
    Do you know how often that happens? People fake seizures, fake passing out, and many other things. So. When someone starts screaming that they are having a seizure...beg for medical assistance...is that what should happen? They do everything they can to avoid jail.

    The FACT is that you don't have enough evidence of misconduct at all. That is one possible outcome. Circumstances can change the "at fault" party.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    By just addressing the raw number of arrests is rather misleading....You'd have to break it down into convictions.
    That's well reflected in the World Number 1 ranking for incarcerations per capita. What other information do you need?

    I see, so the person, NOT showing up to court, refusing to pay his fine, and digging himself deeper with every step has NO responsibility when he is ultimately arrested for his ignorance eh? So, should one be able to just ignore the law, or fines if they feel like they can't pay them? Should they just be able to ignore orders to appear in court? You realize you are advocating a break down of the system right? Oh, and your comparison to France is absurd. We have 5 times the population of France.
    But the police are in many places - Missouri is one example, lower Alabama is another - as revenue agents not police. And the reason many don't show up to court is they're poor and can't pay the fine, which IS dumb. But for the towns and the police departments, the cascading fines and penalties is a desirable FEATURE of the system - it's how they pay the bills instead of taxes, the point of the system is to levy punitive fines for petty offenses.

    In my area, you have a broken tail light, you might get a ticket, you show up with work order from the repair shop, ticket dismissed. People all the time get caught with guns going through security at the airport - they're not arrested. The guns and knives are seized and they're sent on their way to their meeting in Boston, but they're not poor urban residents, they're business people who make the economy hum and so there's a different standard for them.

    And the stats are per capita, not in total. U.S. is 707/100,000 (not including ICE detentions, native Americans facilities, military facilities, juvenile facilities or those operated by the Marshall service.

    France is 103/100k. Germany 78. Spain 144. Italy 100. Cuba!! 510. Good job USA beating Cuba!

    Yep, that's a problem. If the person under arrest has a medical issue, he or she should be treated....The police entrusted with the detention, and transport of that individual should be accountable. But, I don't know what injecting the crime, jail time, and fine into that has to do with anything....The standard should apply to all.
    It has to do with the fact the cops disregarded the pleas of a guy whose crime was petty at best. What the community sees is a person detained for running, arrested for having a knife, then allowed to die. If he's a murderer that might be more understandable to treat the person like vermin, but he was a petty criminal.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Do you know how often that happens? People fake seizures, fake passing out, and many other things. So. When someone starts screaming that they are having a seizure...beg for medical assistance...is that what should happen? They do everything they can to avoid jail.
    Yes, someone begging for medical attention should get medical attention. This person is dead. I guess in your world view that's the breaks. And you wonder why the community doesn't respect the police..... Incredible.

    The FACT is that you don't have enough evidence of misconduct at all. That is one possible outcome. Circumstances can change the "at fault" party.
    The FACT is he was in their custody, they ignored his pleas for medical assistance and he's dead.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, forget China. What's the mitigating stat for France, who somehow runs a developed country with 1/7th the number incarcerated? We're five times the UK. Look at the stats for any country on the planet. We're still #1! USA! USA! USA! USA!


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