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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I think you meant killing instead of prosecution, and I don't agree that being a dumbass gives police a license to kill you.
    At this point, we don't know who or what killed him.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You may not like the job they have to do, and heck, they may not like it either, but they still have to do it...So, yeah, let them do their job, and move on...



    Not everything is a federal case, (although this one is now) but if the family wanted to pursue the road to the Supreme Court they are free to find an attorney that is willing to take the case and move that direction....Hope they have a large checkbook.



    I would guess that most injuries to cops, as well as suspects happen during resisting arrest...Those who comply and follow orders generally are unharmed.



    Probably got away...It's like the old story: "Walking through the woods with a friend that was overweight, and smoked, the out of shape friend says 'I'm surprised we are walking through here, isn't this the trail where a lot of bear sightings have been reported'? The other man replies, 'it sure is'....Then the first man says 'well, what do we do if a bear attacks'? the other man says 'run'....the first says 'we had better be fast'....the first man says 'don't have to be, I just have to be faster than you'....
    Hmm... What, exactly, were the lawful orders that you allege were given by the police? Two guys see the police "eying" them and run - one gets away and the other dies after being caught and charged with the possession of an "illegal" pocket knife.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    At this point, we don't know who or what killed him.
    I had a good friend many moons ago, that was really into doing coke, and partying in general. He while working fell through a customers attic ceiling, and banged a dresser in the master bedroom on the way down. While recovering at home, went into convulsions and died....His wife, tried to sue the employer, safety on the job and all, and lost because the autopsy revealed that because of the drug use he had a condition called 'fatty liver' and that was the cause of his death, not the fall....
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Supposedly the perps ran after the cops made eye contact. There was no initial search or questions.

    As far as the switchblade, if the guy had a felony record, possessing an illegal weapon carries a greater penalty.

    Don't get me wrong here. I have no idea what goes through the head of someone who runs from the cops...it's not in my nature. What I do see is where it puts your life in unnecessary danger by doing so.
    You have a perfectly good idea why the "felon" ran - he had an "illegal" pocket knife. Why should one's life be in danger for running?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hmm... What, exactly, were the lawful orders that you allege were given by the police?
    Neither of us were there, but if the suspects started running as soon as they saw the police, then I can only guess "Stop!" was one of them.

    Two guys see the police "eying" them and run - one gets away and the other dies after being caught and charged with the possession of an "illegal" pocket knife.
    Yep, tragic...Probably would have gotten a warning, or a summons if they'd have just talked with the officers.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sounds like someone making bad decisions all around....
    Well of course that's what you'd say. I imagine you see the U.S. incarceration rate 7 times that of France, 5 times that of China etc., and chant "We're Number 1! USA! USA! USA!!"

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You mean being a dumbass? Sure, if you're a dumbass in America, and you're killed by police, that's your own fault.... Seriously?

    The other thing that's a bit surprising is you said you agreed that 12 million arrests was a problem, many of them BS arrests. But surely you have to see that the BS arrests flow right into some kid running from cops. Lots of articles and the DOJ report detail the process. Stop some guy with a broken tail light, find a joint in the ash tray, guy gets a $500 ticket. Doesn't show up for court because he doesn't have the money to pay. Now he's got a warrant for his arrest for that. It also means his DL is suspended. So if he drives to work, and gets stopped, pile on another ticket, and maybe a few days in jail, gets fired from his job and he still can't drive legally but that's the only way he can get to a job. And his actual crimes were a busted tail light and a joint. But because he's poor he's now in a spiral that takes money he doesn't have to get out of.

    And then people wonder why a guy might run for police....

    It's one thing if the person is a suspected serial rapist, but since we haven't heard that, it's more likely what he was running from was one of those BS arrests you're opposed to, and now he's dead. I don't see how that makes sense to anyone.
    Running from the cops will bring more hurt to your life than not paying traffic or possession fines. That's all I'm saying.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I had a good friend many moons ago, that was really into doing coke, and partying in general. He while working fell through a customers attic ceiling, and banged a dresser in the master bedroom on the way down. While recovering at home, went into convulsions and died....His wife, tried to sue the employer, safety on the job and all, and lost because the autopsy revealed that because of the drug use he had a condition called 'fatty liver' and that was the cause of his death, not the fall....
    It's also why many employers demand a drug test should you be in accident at work. That could actually be a federal law.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You have a perfectly good idea why the "felon" ran - he had an "illegal" pocket knife. Why should one's life be in danger for running?
    Because you create a situation that would normally be considered 'more dangerous'.

    I don't believe that most cops set out to kill someone at the start of their workday but, due to the perils of their job, they are prepared to make sure they make it home at night regardless what the criminal thinks.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Running from the cops will bring more hurt to your life than not paying traffic or possession fines. That's all I'm saying.
    Sure, he should have just stood there, and volunteered to be arrested on a BS charge with up to a year in jail and a $500 fine. It's one of those BS arrests he was trying to avoid, and you don't want to connect the dots.

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