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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

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    Another runner with a record.

    STOP running and resisting!
    The punishment for running or resisting isn't death.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    what that like .01%?

    The vast majority of those killed did something stupid at the wrong time rather than simply comply.
    OK, so you don't care what the number actually is - hey, if it's 10,000 killed by police per year, that's only 0.1%. We should be proud of any number as long as it looks small.... Hey, mess with the cops, they'll kill you, and it's FINE!

    And I think we just have a different view of the health or not of our police state. I think it's a tragedy we have 12 million arrests per year in this country, many of them for BS crimes like selling (some) drugs (to some people). It's a tragedy we have 7 times the number incarcerated as France, nearly 5 times the number of UK, nearly 5 times the number of CHINA, far more than CUBA. Sheesh, those are actual dictatorships/police states and they don't manage to put away as many as we do.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

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    The punishment for running or resisting isn't death.
    Nobody said it should be. But this very easily could be a case of a runner increasing his risk of bodily injury by running. Ever grapple? Do martial arts? Play contact sports? IF he were injured in the scuffle and police were unaware, which is more than plausible, then being put into transport could easily exacerbate an injury.

    I had an uncle who was unaware he fractured a vertebrae till he injured himself fixing storm damage on a roof. He was injured in a very bad car accident months before and nothing unusual was found given that he walked away from it. Injuries don't have to be "immediate" to be severe.

    I find it amusing that case after case comes out, and evidence constantly contradicts the initial court of public opinion's findings. And then the court of public opinion never learns to wait for "the rest of the story."
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    i'm from Baltimore..that's because Inner Harbor is a tourist attraction - go up Charles St, or west over Franklin Street
    it's like any other city..


    As to this topic: ..I wonder if they bounced him around in the back? Cuffed up behind and they like to
    rattle you around and bounce you off the walls since there isn't anyway to hold yourself down.
    It's possible to ram your head on the steel walls or even bounce upside down on the floor..which could snap your neck/spine
    Thy are supposed to seat belt you in..but they don't always do it

    Yes, also in how many of the recent episodes have we seen the cops dig their knee into the suspect's neck. I would bet that is what happened. How was there no violence when he was running? How did they take him down?
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    He ran before being detained. Pretty sure just running isn't a crime.


    Sure there is, it's called running while black!
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Nobody said it should be. But this very easily could be a case of a runner increasing his risk of bodily injury by running. Ever grapple? Do martial arts? Play contact sports? IF he were injured in the scuffle and police were unaware, which is more than plausible, then being put into transport could easily exacerbate an injury.

    I had an uncle who was unaware he fractured a vertebrae till he injured himself fixing storm damage on a roof. He was injured in a very bad car accident months before and nothing unusual was found given that he walked away from it. Injuries don't have to be "immediate" to be severe.

    I find it amusing that case after case comes out, and evidence constantly contradicts the initial court of public opinion's findings. And then the court of public opinion never learns to wait for "the rest of the story."
    A) I burn thousands of calories a day between work and sports. Spent some time in college doing Brazilian jiu jitsu.

    B) This clearly isn't the only time someone's been injured or killed while in police custody or in attempts to take them into custody. I find the "blaming the victim" mentality morally troubling. We can't and shouldn't justify every injury or death away to "running or resisting"
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    First, we don't yet knkw what caused his injuries. Second, compared to the overall arrest rate, this isn't as big a problem as the media would lead you to believe


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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The punishment for running or resisting isn't death.
    So how would the police arrest anyone if running and resisting the police had no consequences?
    In that resisting can put the policeman's live at risk is it a good idea to let a person who woulddo that get away? If a person will kill a cop or cause great bodily injury to a cop it stands to reason that he will do worse if left alone.


    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Sure there is, it's called running while black!
    About twice as many "WHITE" men have been killed by cops so running and resisting is the problem.

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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    A) I burn thousands of calories a day between work and sports. Spent some time in college doing Brazilian jiu jitsu.

    B) This clearly isn't the only time someone's been injured or killed while in police custody or in attempts to take them into custody. I find the "blaming the victim" mentality morally troubling. We can't and shouldn't justify every injury or death away to "running or resisting"
    A) Good I did and still do the same. So you are aware of how easy it is to be injured. Freak accidents that aren't really uncommon. Even for the most in shape guy. That is the crux of my position. An injury doesn't have to be immediate to be severe. It can happen and go unnoticed. And that happens.

    B) I find it MORE morally troubling that guilt is being established before the facts are out. I'm sure you would too, assuming that you don't look at this with a slant. The fact is there are possibilities that are not completely remote, and in fact closer to 50/50 that this was NOT a criminal action. That it could simply be accidental. An unintended consequence of police going hands on.

    I'm sure you people down hard when you did BJJ. Not like you tried too right? I do it once in a while. I'm a big guy. Sometimes I have to lay a knee down to help a training partner out in the rib department.

    Again. This isn't "victim blaming." It is fact observation. The facts do not point to one cause. They point to many potential causes. Only someone trying to serve a cause would draw only one from these.
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    Re: Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    It's utterly absurd to compare arrests to fatal shootings, as if the number 12 million somehow makes the killing, manslaughter and murder of suspects ok. Do some of them deserve it, yep, I'm not arguing those, but there are too many that aren't justified and until the last few years when virtually everyone has a camera, most of these would not only have not been reported, but, like in the Walter Scott case we would have been lead to believe that he was shot because he tried to use a taser on the officer, which, of course we know, thanks to the video, is a lie.

    Furthermore, how many other cases of police abuse of power, injury and death occur that don't involve a a suspect killed by a gun?

    The culture has changed from the early 90's when I went to school to be a police officer and spent almost a year doing ride-a-longs with police and I saw a lot in my time working beside the police. Today police are being more preemptive, they way that carry themselves is to be intimidating. They are in many places being trained to see the people in the areas they patrol as the enemy. Few are trained in negotiation and how to defuse a situations and they often believe that because they are the authority that they can walk into emotionally charged situations and everyone should just do what they say without question. To expect this is to fundamentally misunderstand human nature and guarantee the kinds of results that are played out almost daily.
    I see criminals, particularly Black ones, be more bold in their actions. I blame Holder, Obama and the media for it.

    I suspect the police see it as well and they are reacting accordingly.
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