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Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

:lamo: thanks for that one....now that's funny right there...only thing better is if you'd have said once engaged with the app an ACLU liberal parachutes directly to the scene....hahahahaha

... the ACLU has defended police officers all over the US. They have also defend civilians when their rights are violated by cops.
 
... the ACLU has defended police officers all over the US. They have also defend civilians when their rights are violated by cops.

It never ceases to amaze me how little so many conservatives know about what the ACLU actually does.
 
You said you don't condone the cops actions, and then went on to scold a poster. And you said you're surprised that a liberal from the ACLU didn't parachute down.

Yeah, that's right in a sense...First, I wasn't "scolding" anyone, more like laughing at their post, second, I'm not saying that the ACLU is ALL liberal, but let's face it, the predominant number of cases they take on are for liberal causes...
 
So if I grab someone's phone and break it will I just get a reprimand. Of course not. Why is the cop heals to a lower standard than an ordinary citizen. How do you not see a problem with this.

I said I didn't condone the cop's actions...But, let me just say again...The woman was too close to the action the police were undertaking. Now, if the woman wants to file charges for assault, destruction of property, or anything else then she is free to do that, and a court can sort it out....But, just as it isn't for him to take the action he did, it isn't for you to decide whether or not he should be jailed or not...So, tell me, do you know if charges were filed?

See, this is the problem I have with a story like this. You get a video snippet, and a one, or two sentence story, then the faux outrage starts....If something in this operation had gone wrong and say a stray bullet would have come out and killed the woman, then you'd be hollering that the police had an obligation to make sure she wasn't in the immediate vicinity of the operation for safety....so they can't win with you..All you want to do is smear, and bitch about cops...So, I'm not all convinced that your outrage is genuine.
 
So, you're denying that police abuse exists, and the press is cherry picking, I see.

No, you don't see Monte....You're saying that, I'm not..So why don't you stick to what I DO say, and quit trying to make things up.

I don't care what you think

Clearly that is not true.

we have a problem in America with police corruption, brutality, and abuse,

Prove it...

and we are going to get this resolved.

Who is "we"????

Have you noticed the response to all this from foreign posters here.

Why should I give crap what foreigners think about our controversies here, they'd do better to worry about their own problems

Btw, are you a cop?

No, I've posted many times what I do for a living, you know that, or should, so your attempt to disqualify my opinions on the basis of only a cop can address you is a fallacy. But then no one is surprised at that....BTW, are you a cop?
 
What straw man did I create.

When you posted: "So what you are saying is that if you may have broke the law it is ok for the cop to determine guilt and dish out punishment all on his own."

That's NOT what I said, and you damned well know it....That sir is a strawman argument, and you'd do better not to try to put words in peoples mouths.

As to what punishment he should get, in my opinion he should get the same punishment that your average citizen would get. Also if I was the chief and this particular cop had shown the slightest type of behavior before he would be fired. If he can not be trusted to act according to the law than he sure as hell shouldn't be a cop.

Then let her go down and file charges...I am certain that the department would take that very seriously.
 
I don't think cops are ANY worse then they were 50 years ago...in fact, I think they are much better.

The stuff that police could get away with before the numbers of cameras in America exploded was far and away worse then what they can get away with now.

It's just that back then you (I assume) almost never saw these things unless you were there witnessing them whereas today almost everyone has a camera on them (which is good).

Cops are not worse IMO, just far more scrutinized.


I was engaged to a cop's daughter and I saw how incredibly difficult a job it can be. Sure there are bad cops and they should be punished, but never forget there are far more good ones and what a difficult job it can be.
 
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Whatever punishments deemed appropriate by a judge or jury based on the laws that may have been broken. Looks to me like assault, robbery, and possibly a first amendment violation. For starters.

California penal code (240) prescribes up to six months jail for simple assault and a 1k fine. I think there are several other potential charges. Use google if you want to start adding it up. Also this man should face whatever penalties are drawn up in LA sherrifs conduct rules.

You think what he did is OK?

Good grief, don't you people read? I have already said that I didn't think it was ok....As for charges, I have no problem with her filing charges. At which time if the department, or a court fails to hear the case, then you have a gripe....If the woman does nothing, then SHE let him get away with it.
 
It seems that example after example after example keeps popping up and yet some people still can't seem to grasp that there's an issue here that needs to see the light of day.

Issue, after issue is media driven to gin up the masses....How many police forces are in the US today? How many cops are on the job? Millions? You have what is it now, 5 reports on the news and all of the sudden we are in crisis? Nah, this is just how the Alinsky left thinks they are effective at forcing change...Create a crisis, then as Emmanuel said, "Never let a crisis go to waste".... What I want to know is what do the anti police people want? Anarchy?
 
It never ceases to amaze me how little so many conservatives know about what the ACLU actually does.

Oh please....Go bleat somewhere that you actually can make a point instead of just clacking attacks off your keyboard.
 
I said I didn't condone the cop's actions...But, let me just say again...The woman was too close to the action the police were undertaking. Now, if the woman wants to file charges for assault, destruction of property, or anything else then she is free to do that, and a court can sort it out....But, just as it isn't for him to take the action he did, it isn't for you to decide whether or not he should be jailed or not...So, tell me, do you know if charges were filed?

See, this is the problem I have with a story like this. You get a video snippet, and a one, or two sentence story, then the faux outrage starts....If something in this operation had gone wrong and say a stray bullet would have come out and killed the woman, then you'd be hollering that the police had an obligation to make sure she wasn't in the immediate vicinity of the operation for safety....so they can't win with you..All you want to do is smear, and bitch about cops...So, I'm not all convinced that your outrage is genuine.

So what does the law state is the appropriate distance she had to be away from the officers. Also why should she have to file charges for assault were there not plenty of L/E there that witnessed it. If some random citizen had done what that cop did to another citizen in front of a bunch of cops do you honestly think none of the cops would have done something like they did in this instance. We both know the answer to that.

Nice job making up arguments and coming up with my positions for me though. If they lady was to close and caught a bullet forms bad guy I would have no problems with it. I do not expect the police to protect people from their own stupidity. What I do expect is our police to be held to the same standards that ordinary citizens are held to. Which sadly does not happen to often.

I rarely complain about cops and if calling them out for breaking the law is smearing them then we have bigger problems. So why don't you stop being dishonest and putting words in mouth.
 
Issue, after issue is media driven to gin up the masses....How many police forces are in the US today? How many cops are on the job? Millions? You have what is it now, 5 reports on the news and all of the sudden we are in crisis? Nah, this is just how the Alinsky left thinks they are effective at forcing change...Create a crisis, then as Emmanuel said, "Never let a crisis go to waste".... What I want to know is what do the anti police people want? Anarchy?
If all you've seen is 5 then you're not paying attention to the world around you.

If you think that the only cases are those which you see, then you are choosing to be willfully ignorant.
 
Ok, I give you that...So reprimand the cop...Does this really need an entire thread other than to continue the smear of police today?

It's not a smear, it's just further documentation of how out of control some of the police force has gotten in the modern world. We need to not only be aware of this, we need to start punishing. Government must be kept within its constraints.
 
When you posted: "So what you are saying is that if you may have broke the law it is ok for the cop to determine guilt and dish out punishment all on his own."

That's NOT what I said, and you damned well know it....That sir is a strawman argument, and you'd do better not to try to put words in peoples mouths.



Then let her go down and file charges...I am certain that the department would take that very seriously.

When you say things like
Again....proximity is the key here....Don't want that to happen? I'd suggest you don't make yourself a pest by trying to capture your footage so close to what is happening.
I think any rational person would take that to mean you are justifying what the cop did and that the fault rests on the woman. Add that in with the rest of your posts defending the cop and I think most people would take it the same way I did.

And as I said before, why should she have to go down to the station to file a complaint. Plenty of other officers witnessed the cop break the law. If some random citizen had done that we all know the police would have acted right there on the spot.
 
We generally don't disagree. However, I don't come from an expectation that police are unreasonably or unnecessarily violent with members of the public just for the fun of it. When an officer becomes unreasonably or unnecessarily violent, I expect him/her to be handled accordingly through internal discipline or through the criminal or civil law. However, I also come from an expectation that the vast majority of the time the police act reasonably and necessarily when interacting with members of the public.

I didn't say they do it for the "fun of it." And the problem of course is when they do get unnecessarily violent, they almost NEVER suffer any actual punishment and are even rarely subject to criminal penalties. Their fellow cops, the prosecutors and juries do what we see on here every day - if the person beaten didn't behave PERFECTLY, then the violence is justified.

Where I strongly disagree with your comments is your apparent assumption that only those who are white and affluent have good relationships with police and that those who reside in inner city neighbourhoods and are minorities naturally have bad/disrespectful/distrustful relationships with police.

What I said was I'm self aware enough to know there is a big difference in how cops treat me and those like me and how they treat, say, inner city black kids. I'm certain the difference is night and day between my interactions and poor minorities in, say, NYC or Chicago. And that's especially true as our police become militarized.

How many times you been stopped and frisked? How many white people in the theater district of NYC were stopped and frisked? Not many, but cops racially profiled and stopped blahs and browns in NYC hundreds of thousands of times per year, at least 9/10 of them sent on their way. How long would you maintain a 'respect' for cops who repeatedly pulled you over on your way to work and demanded to search your car for no reason other than they felt like it?

Did you read the Ferguson report on the police department? If my area was treated like that I'm certain we'd have no respect for the police. We might look at them as a necessary evil at best.

In my view, the vast majority of minorities in inner city neighbourhoods have very good relationships with the police because in many cases they rely on the police for their safety and a semblance of normalcy in their neighbourhoods. Without them, they know they'd be living under the control of criminals and gangs. Good, honest, respectful people are in the vast majority in pretty much every neighbourhood.

I agree that most people are good in any neighborhood. But what I also know is the "good" people in many black, inner city neighborhoods are activists who want to clean up police corruption. That's not caused by videos but by.....obvious and systemic police misconduct and corruption in their neighborhoods.

No doubt some of the differences in perception are caused by the fact that crime is nearly non-existent where I live, and rampant in other areas, so cops have a necessarily different approach to policing and so the interactions MUST be fundamentally different. But you have to at least acknowledge those differences and maybe concede that goes a long way in explaining the different perceptions.
 
So what does the law state is the appropriate distance she had to be away from the officers. Also why should she have to file charges for assault were there not plenty of L/E there that witnessed it. If some random citizen had done what that cop did to another citizen in front of a bunch of cops do you honestly think none of the cops would have done something like they did in this instance. We both know the answer to that.

I really don't know, I guess it depends on the jurisdiction. I do know that a cop can witness a minor dispute between people, and not effect an arrest themselves, but they ask the "victim" in the dispute if they want to file charges....So, it is possible that if the woman would have gone up to one of the police on the scene, after their operation was done, and asked them to arrest that Marshall for assault, that it would have been done....My guess is that she knew she was in the wrong, and didn't pursue it, therefore, legally speaking, I don't think you have a crime....You know like if a tree falls in the forest, thing.

Nice job making up arguments and coming up with my positions for me though. If they lady was to close and caught a bullet forms bad guy I would have no problems with it. I do not expect the police to protect people from their own stupidity. What I do expect is our police to be held to the same standards that ordinary citizens are held to. Which sadly does not happen to often.

I am not making anything up for you, you're doing a fine job digging yourself....But keep in mind that the police have a duty to protect....Think about that.

I rarely complain about cops and if calling them out for breaking the law is smearing them then we have bigger problems. So why don't you stop being dishonest and putting words in mouth.

Then I might suggest you get ahold of the woman in the video and plead with her to file charges.
 
If all you've seen is 5 then you're not paying attention to the world around you.

If you think that the only cases are those which you see, then you are choosing to be willfully ignorant.

Maybe I am, maybe not...I'm a busy guy, I work pretty hard, so I'm not always available to sit around watching news 24/7.

And NO, I don't think they are the only cases, but you're ignoring my questions....How many cases vs. the number of police on the job? Can you answer that?
 
It's not a smear, it's just further documentation of how out of control some of the police force has gotten in the modern world. We need to not only be aware of this, we need to start punishing. Government must be kept within its constraints.

Who is the mythical "We" that you speak of? The mob? You personally? Who? And So, once you've neutered the police or done away with them, do you see a safer America?

People vote for politicians who campaign that they are "tough on crime" people who vote like that....Not all are authoritarians like you try to paint them, they just want to be safe.
 
When you say things like I think any rational person would take that to mean you are justifying what the cop did and that the fault rests on the woman. Add that in with the rest of your posts defending the cop and I think most people would take it the same way I did.

And as I said before, why should she have to go down to the station to file a complaint. Plenty of other officers witnessed the cop break the law. If some random citizen had done that we all know the police would have acted right there on the spot.

Why should she have to file charges? Because that is how it is done....So now you want to rewrite the system?
 
Who is the mythical "We" that you speak of? The mob? You personally? Who? And So, once you've neutered the police or done away with them, do you see a safer America?

People vote for politicians who campaign that they are "tough on crime" people who vote like that....Not all are authoritarians like you try to paint them, they just want to be safe.

The People.

Being safe is great, but we're not safe from the police as we've been seeing in more and more videos. Being safe doesn't just deal with the criminal element, but with government as well. Government must be kept within its restraints.
 
Well, no warning and destruction of property. I think the woman should get a new phone paid by that specific police officer.

There you go, and I would even back assault charges on the Marshall if indeed there was no prior warning to get back from police....Lord knows if cops arrest you and they hurt their little pinky nail doing so they charge you with assault on a LEO....So, yeah, I'll concede that maybe charges should be filed, but if the woman doesn't do that, then NOTHING will happen, and NO crime is reported here.
 
Just because she was an idiot to be that close to the back of the police taping and uncertain what she was saying it doesn't mean the cop has to climb down to her level and act as stupid.

The one cop tells her to back up and she takes a few steps so he should have told her to take it across the street. Good grief is it that hard?

But right on time we have the extremes show up here in this thread from all cops do it to fine you shouldn't have police.
 
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