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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why does it matter what percentage of cops are bad actors, let's just get rid of them.
    All of them? Oh man....anarchy at its finest....
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, then charges should be filed....Why don't you do it on her behalf....You can do that you know.

    That's dumb.

    So, your argument is that police work isn't dangerous enough? Really? Are you a LEO? if not, why not?
    No, I am arguing it's not the "war" they like to pretend they are fighting.

    No.

    Because I wasn't black or a woman.


    I see, so you don't like that SWAT teams are buying up MRAP's....is that it???? All that from the destruction of a damned cell phone? Really?
    Minimizing my arguments to the absurd, is dishonest my friend.


    Hell, why stop there? I mean after all a cell phone gets destroyed, and we should empty the jails....spot on there Rev....
    yes, we run no bid contract private prisons that need tenents to survive. We have the largest incarceration rate in the world. with many people in prison are in for non-violent drug offenses.

    yes, they should be immedietly released and the no bid profit prisons shut down.


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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah. So cops aren't dying due to their equipment, and we need to fix that ASAP.
    Nonsense strawman argument.



    No - this is part of COIN. It's one of those nasty military strategy thingies that are so awful.

    lol, it's community policing, COIN makes it sound so tacti-cool.


    So this is an extenuation of the theory that, if it is illegal to have guns, criminals won't? Yeah, that'll work out about as well as it did when we disarmed civilians, except worse.

    not what I said.


    "Car 3 this is dispatch, we have an armed/dangerous robbery going down on the corner of 23rd and 6th"

    "Roger, dispatch, we will be deploying our finger pistols and pew-pew noises forthwith".
    so in a situation where swat is needed, you want to send car 3?

    In such a situation if the people were armed. the robbery most likely never would have happened.



    No, we have police responding to hostile populaces who have been taught that cops in general are the enemy, and sing songs celebrating and glorifying their killing.
    yet only 27 out of 900,000 died in 2013, including from accidents. funny dat reality.


    Hard Drugs no, Soft Drugs I think you have a good point.
    Again, if they are non-violent and its a drug offense, (not a grand theft or whatever), release them.

    end the war on drugs, use 1/10 the money spent on treatment programs, give the rest back to the peoples.


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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That's dumb.
    Why? You're a citizen. If you are so outraged for this woman then put your action where you mouth is Rev....Go on out there and file charges on her behalf...But no, it is easier to moan about it from the armchair isn't it?

    No, I am arguing it's not the "war" they like to pretend they are fighting.
    that's a pretty broad statement right there....I would say in some instances it is exactly a war.

    No.

    Because I wasn't black or a woman.
    Ah, diversity quotas eh....That sucks...If you really wanted to be one I'd wager you could get in somewhere....You might have to move though.

    Minimizing my arguments to the absurd, is dishonest my friend.
    No more dishonest than expanding a simple discussion about a broken cell phone by one Marshall Deputy, into a rant about de militarizing the police, and releasing convicted criminals nationwide....That rant deserved to be minimized.

    yes, we run no bid contract private prisons that need tenents to survive. We have the largest incarceration rate in the world. with many people in prison are in for non-violent drug offenses.

    yes, they should be immedietly released and the no bid profit prisons shut down.
    What does that have to do with this Marshall Deputy, and the woman? Nothing.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why? You're a citizen. If you are so outraged for this woman then put your action where you mouth is Rev....Go on out there and file charges on her behalf...But no, it is easier to moan about it from the armchair isn't it?

    Can't muster up enough apathy, sorry.


    that's a pretty broad statement right there....I would say in some instances it is exactly a war.
    some? sure. but mostly no. and it's the mindset that everytime they walk out the station door that they are going into "battle"...


    Ah, diversity quotas eh....That sucks...If you really wanted to be one I'd wager you could get in somewhere....You might have to move though.
    Well, I went into the military, then contract work, then figured out a way to make a ****load of money. the diversity quota was the best thing that ever happened to me!

    No more dishonest than expanding a simple discussion about a broken cell phone by one Marshall Deputy, into a rant about de militarizing the police, and releasing convicted criminals nationwide....That rant deserved to be minimized.

    It's part of the systemic mindset that needs to be exposed and fixed.


    What does that have to do with this Marshall Deputy, and the woman? Nothing.

    it's a continuation of the tangent you freely engaged in.


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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You of course disagree, these incidents of cops killing people, should be rare. not almost daily. Boston, running around illegally searching peoples homes, confiscating firearms in new orleans, political swat raids in wisconsin, swat raids for routine police work, a %10000 increasein swat raids. (80,000 per year), instigating violence over loose cigarettes, shooting dogs as an epidemic...
    I think you are also forgetting that time a cop gave me a ticket for running a stop sign when I clearly slowed down enough to count as a stop, and also the wave we've seen of police officers buying shoes or food for the homeless. I mean, it's on the news. Clearly it's a wave, right?

    In this time of historic low crime, why are police using deadly force so much more?
    from a source sympathetic to you:

    Myth #2. YouTube videos and cellphone footage prove that today’s cops are out of control.

    Most criminologists believe that today’s police departments are more professional than ever before. Cops tend to get more training, and departments are guided by defined rules and procedures. Most decent-size police agencies have internal affairs departments, and a growing number of cities have installed citizen review boards. That hardly means there are no problems in policing today, of course, or that these developments suffice to safeguard civil liberties. But it’s likely that the ubiquity of cellphone cameras and the diffusive power of social media are simply making us more aware of rule-breaking cops, rather than showing that there are more of them than before.

    Like kidnappings of pretty, middle class white girls, the media has discovered that the story sells, regardless of prevalence. What you and others are responding to is known as the availability heuristic.


    Do you really believe no reform is needed? at all?
    You don't see a need for any reform?
    This is a strawman. I agree with you on COIN. I (generally) agree with you on body-cameras - I also think they should feed directly to storage somewhere so that criminals know if they wreck the camera, they are still on tape somewhere. This will protect both police and civilians. I think no-knock raids, except in the most dangerous of situations, are dangerous, unwarranted, and destined to lead to unnecessary deaths.

    But I think there is a strong element in this country who get hysterical claiming State Oppression every time a news story hits about an abusive cop and I think there is a solid portion of our populace is raised in a culture that instinctively views the law as the enemy, and celebrates murdering cops.

    I thought you were, my bad. I was about to call bull**** if you were and said you saw them in the streets.
    Nah. I have friends who are cops, sure. A lot of guys (we've talked about this before) do that after getting out. EMT/FD, too.

    Mind you, I think we shouldn't be surprised if that becomes a thing in the future, especially if things heat up on the border.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think you are also forgetting that time a cop gave me a ticket for running a stop sign when I clearly slowed down enough to count as a stop, and also the wave we've seen of police officers buying shoes or food for the homeless. I mean, it's on the news. Clearly it's a wave, right?

    if we look at the numbers, police end up killing about 1000 people a year, many I am sure deserved it, but some did not.

    Why then do other countries not have to kill people to enforce the laws? are we a more violent society? more criminal minded?

    something doesn't add up.


    from a source sympathetic to you:

    Myth #2. YouTube videos and cellphone footage prove that today’s cops are out of control.

    Most criminologists believe that today’s police departments are more professional than ever before. Cops tend to get more training, and departments are guided by defined rules and procedures. Most decent-size police agencies have internal affairs departments, and a growing number of cities have installed citizen review boards. That hardly means there are no problems in policing today, of course, or that these developments suffice to safeguard civil liberties. But it’s likely that the ubiquity of cellphone cameras and the diffusive power of social media are simply making us more aware of rule-breaking cops, rather than showing that there are more of them than before.

    Like kidnappings of pretty, middle class white girls, the media has discovered that the story sells, regardless of prevalence. What you and others are responding to is known as the availability heuristic.

    Facts:

    80,000 swat raids last year. Many for routine police work.
    1000 people killed by police per year on average.
    27 cops died from all causes in 2013
    meanwhile in other developed countries the number of people killed by police hovers around zero



    This is a strawman. I agree with you on COIN. I (generally) agree with you on body-cameras - I also think they should feed directly to storage somewhere so that criminals know if they wreck the camera, they are still on tape somewhere. This will protect both police and civilians. I think no-knock raids, except in the most dangerous of situations, are dangerous, unwarranted, and destined to lead to unnecessary deaths.
    I agree with this.



    But I think there is a strong element in this country who get hysterical claiming State Oppression every time a news story hits about an abusive cop and I think there is a solid portion of our populace is raised in a culture that instinctively views the law as the enemy, and celebrates murdering cops.
    I agree, there are many on both sides of this argument that are far too extreme. Those defending that thug brown comes to mind.

    Nah. I have friends who are cops, sure. A lot of guys (we've talked about this before) do that after getting out. EMT/FD, too.

    Mind you, I think we shouldn't be surprised if that becomes a thing in the future, especially if things heat up on the border.


    There is a memo about hiring veterans that's not very flattering, it's all about that ptsd etc. btw, currently most of my hockey team at chelsea piers are cops, so a cop hater, I am not.


    Like I said, I think reform is needed.


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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Nonsense strawman argument.
    not at all. Sarcasm in service of a point. Vests and the like are worn because they save lives. Pointing to reduced deaths among cops and then stating we should get rid of tactical gear like vests is rather self-contradicting.

    lol, it's community policing, COIN makes it sound so tacti-cool.
    I call it COIN because that's how I'm familiar with it. Continual presence patrolling to provide security to the populace from malign actors. Key Leader Engagements. Creation of intelligence networks among the populace to capture and funnel up reporting on malign actors, and use of continual presence to protect those who work with you from retribution.

    not what I said.
    You said if civilians weren't allowed to carry guns, cops shouldn't be. Extending the idiotic reasoning of the gun-free zone to the last line of defense.

    So in a situation where swat is needed, you want to send car 3?
    Why would it matter? If it's a gun free-zone, and we've stripped their tactical gear, SWAT is just a bunch of slightly more in-shape cops with maybe deeper sounding "pew pew" noises.

    In such a situation if the people were armed. the robbery most likely never would have happened.
    Maybe - but the important thing to remember is that we have way to many military-style guns in the hands of civilians these days, and a small percentage of those civilians hurt others. We need reform. Maybe if we take away people's legal tactical gear and weapons, everyone will be nicer.

    yet only 27 out of 900,000 died in 2013, including from accidents. funny dat reality.
    1. You are applying a national standard when local conditions rule
    2. A significant portion of that reduction is due to the gear that you want to strip from them.
    3. This doesn't - actually - answer the point that we have police responding to hostile populaces who have been taught that cops in general are the enemy, and sing songs celebrating and glorifying their killing. Funny dat logic.

    Again, if they are non-violent and its a drug offense, (not a grand theft or whatever), release them.
    Depends. Multiple offenders, people who refuse to pay fines (or whatever is awarded in lieu of time), there are some I can see justifying Time. But generally, the idiot kid with the joint? Fine him.

    end the war on drugs, use 1/10 the money spent on treatment programs, give the rest back to the peoples.
    Most governments run deficits and savings should be directed there first. And portions of counter-drug efforts should absolutely remain. Marijuana should be treated like alcohol.

    if we look at the numbers, police end up killing about 1000 people a year, many I am sure deserved it, but some did not.

    Why then do other countries not have to kill people to enforce the laws? are we a more violent society? more criminal minded?
    Actually, compared to other Western nations, yeah, we are.

    Facts:
    None of which, I can't help but notice, actually answer the point - that the charge that police are increasingly "out of control" is false, but fed by a story-hungry media.

    80,000 swat raids last year. Many for routine police work.
    And we've agreed that many of such are dumb and dangerous.

    1000 people killed by police per year on average.
    okay. and?

    27 cops died from all causes in 2013
    How many were shot at or otherwise attacked?

    meanwhile in other developed countries the number of people killed by police hovers around zero
    Yup. Their civilian violence rates are lower, too.

    Those defending that thug brown comes to mind.
    Well, "those defending that thug brown" and thinking that cops deserve to pay for "murders" like that are a hefty portion of the populace, dude.

    There is a memo about hiring veterans that's not very flattering, it's all about that ptsd etc.
    Well then that memo is ****ing stupid.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not at all. Sarcasm in service of a point. Vests and the like are worn because they save lives. Pointing to reduced deaths among cops and then stating we should get rid of tactical gear like vests is rather self-contradicting.
    I don't have a problem with vests.



    You said if civilians weren't allowed to carry guns, cops shouldn't be. Extending the idiotic reasoning of the gun-free zone to the last line of defense.

    I am pro gun as you know. I think you should be able to carry anywhere you wish (cept private property should that owner not want it), that said, if a locality has a ban on carrying, police should not be exempt.

    This is really a pro-gun argument tho.


    Why would it matter? If it's a gun free-zone, and we've stripped their tactical gear, SWAT is just a bunch of slightly more in-shape cops with maybe deeper sounding "pew pew" noises.
    You misunderstand my point, I think many departments don't really need guns for patrol officers, in fact most officers never draw thier guns in thier entire carreer. at least that's the way it used to be, that might be changing.


    Maybe - but the important thing to remember is that we have way to many military-style guns in the hands of civilians these days, and a small percentage of those civilians hurt others. We need reform. Maybe if we take away people's legal tactical gear and weapons, everyone will be nicer.
    Constitution restricts government not people. we are not enforcing laws, we are not government agents, doesn't fit.

    We don't demand the same guns the cops have, we have a constitutional right to guns that the military uses.


    big difference.



    1. You are applying a national standard when local conditions rule
    27, I don't care whether it's detroit of the hamptons, 27 is statistically nill. 27 out of 900,000

    2. A significant portion of that reduction is due to the gear that you want to strip from them.

    Link please.


    3. This doesn't - actually - answer the point that we have police responding to hostile populaces who have been taught that cops in general are the enemy, and sing songs celebrating and glorifying their killing. Funny dat logic.

    27 killed most from accidents, it seems all the singing about killing cops is bluster.


    Depends. Multiple offenders, people who refuse to pay fines (or whatever is awarded in lieu of time), there are some I can see justifying Time. But generally, the idiot kid with the joint? Fine him.

    People who don't pay fines should have thier property levied after due process to make the offended party whole. again, I am talking about the 40% more or less of those who are in only for a non-violent drug offense.


    Most governments run deficits and savings should be directed there first. And portions of counter-drug efforts should absolutely remain. Marijuana should be treated like alcohol.

    The war on drugs is a failure, end it.


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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    This Marshall's choice of actions were pathetic. I've been involved in law enforcement for over 25 years and it's actions of idiots like this that give the rest of us a bad name. It's a choice or "war" over diplomacy - you choose diplomacy if applicable. The correct action would be to approach the woman and speak to her face to face. Explain that she is within an unsafe perimeter and if she does not remove herself from it she could get cited/arrested for failure to obey or possibly obstruction.

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