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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Under what circumstances is it legal for anyone, including government agents to take and destroy anothers property without due process?
    Interestingly, apparently, when you dare to own something the government wishes to price-control.

    More generally, however, when you use your property to threaten or interfere with others in non-lawful ways. As a single example, in order to stop car-chases, police officers will happily throw down spikes to destroy your tires.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    None, but that is for the review to determine....

    Possibly...More likely, with adrenaline pumping, and the lady's taunts in his ear, he snapped.

    I don't think so...None of the articles mentioned any repercussions to the woman other than the assault, and breaking of her phone.
    That is probably the most plausible scenario. The lady chose to act like a bitch, and he reacted angrily and therefore unprofessionally.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Interestingly, apparently, when you dare to own something the government wishes to price-control.

    More generally, however, when you use your property to threaten or interfere with others in non-lawful ways. As a single example, in order to stop car-chases, police officers will happily throw down spikes to destroy your tires.


    Indeed, in persuit, or other lawful circumstances where the destruction of property helps aprehend a suspect, I can see that.


    I can't see however this EVER applying to a cell phone.


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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Interestingly, apparently, when you dare to own something the government wishes to price-control.

    More generally, however, when you use your property to threaten or interfere with others in non-lawful ways. As a single example, in order to stop car-chases, police officers will happily throw down spikes to destroy your tires.
    You are seriously stretching when comparing spiking tires to stop a dangerous chase and destroying a camera. Seriously stretching. If this is the best parallel you can come up with, you got nothin'.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Indeed, in persuit, or other lawful circumstances where the destruction of property helps aprehend a suspect, I can see that.

    I can't see however this EVER applying to a cell phone.
    I can - it doesn't seem to apply in this case, but if someone were attempting to take pictures of police engaged in undercover work, for example, for targeting purposes, or using their cell phone to as a control mechanism for other, dangerous items.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I can - it doesn't seem to apply in this case, but if someone were attempting to take pictures of police engaged in undercover work, for example, for targeting purposes, or using their cell phone to as a control mechanism for other, dangerous items.

    Is it illegal to take pictures of undercover police?

    Targeting what?

    and yes, if it was to be used as a bomb trigger like on teh tv, I agree.

    but these examples are a bit extreme no?


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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You are seriously stretching when comparing spiking tires to stop a dangerous chase and destroying a camera.
    I am not comparing the two. I am answering the question by pointing out that we do recognize rules governing when authorities can seize and destroy your property without due process.

    I'm not defending the cops actions. My very first post in this thread was to point out that it is likely they are, in fact, indefensible. The post immediately below the one you are responding to was me stating that it is most plausible that he was acting angrily and unprofessionally. Stop trying to pigeonhole me into an opposition position I am not taking.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Is it illegal to take pictures of undercover police?
    I don't know. I would imagine, however, if you are doing it for collection purposes, that they are going to take that from you before (hopefully) you have the ability to pass it around.

    Targeting what?
    Them. You think that criminal organizations don't do counter-intel?

    and yes, if it was to be used as a bomb trigger like on teh tv, I agree.
    teh tv? You've deployed enough times to know that's real.

    but these examples are a bit extreme no?
    they are simply the first examples that leap to mind - they are easier to come up with because they are extreme. They simply demonstrate the rule that it is possible for taking and smashing someone's cellphone to be justifiable.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Wait, the media is at fault for this jack boot's actions? I think I don't understand your position.


    Under what circumstances is it legal for anyone, including government agents to take and destroy anothers property without due process? What law permits grabbing a cell phone out of ones hand smashing and kicking it?
    Oh for Jezbus sake! It really isn't that complicated.....I'll lay it out again just for you Rev, even though I've said it multiple times throughout the thread....

    1. I do NOT condone the Marshall's action in that snippet of video.

    2. I also believe that the woman taking the video on her camera was too close to the police operation thereby causing an impediment to the safe carrying out of that operation, and was taunting the officers as they did their jobs.

    3. Should the incident be reported and investigated? Yes. The woman should absolutely follow up, and the Deputy Marshall should have to face the consequences of his actions on the scene.

    4. This in my view though is one instance that the media got a hold of that fits rather neatly today into their narrative of police being out of control, therefore they ran a story with a fair amount of speculation that fits what they want to project, and clearly some in here are falling for it.

    how's that?
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I don't know. I would imagine, however, if you are doing it for collection purposes, that they are going to take that from you before (hopefully) you have the ability to pass it around.
    Under what legal precident or law?


    Them. You think that criminal organizations don't do counter-intel?
    You are going to have to paint me a picture here. Give me an example.


    teh tv? You've deployed enough times to know that's real.
    I've built **** with old phones (nothing illegal), most see it on teh tv.


    they are simply the first examples that leap to mind - they are easier to come up with because they are extreme. They simply demonstrate the rule that it is possible for taking and smashing someone's cellphone to be justifiable.

    I don't disagree with your position, I don't think you can make a case where it applies to a civillian holding a cell phone.


    it is legal, and proper to film the police.


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